Tens of thousands of illegal immigrants with sexual assault, homicide convictions roaming US streets: ICE data

Vambram said:

The data says that, among those not in detention, there are 425,431 convicted criminals and 222,141 with pending criminal charges. Those include 62,231 convicted of assault, 14,301 convicted of burglary, 56,533 with drug convictions and 13,099 convicted of homicide. An additional 2,521 have kidnapping convictions and 15,811 have sexual assault convictions. There are an additional 1,845 with pending homicide charges, 42,915 with assault charges, 3,266 with burglary charges and 4,250 with assault charges.

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I'm sorry. There are 13,099 CONVICTED murders not in detention? Like convicted here in the United states or back in their country of origin?

Is there a reason you directly quoted from Trump/Vance's page but didn't link to it? Because that's kind of plagarism and stuff.....

Vambram said:

I quoted from a Foxnews.com article. The data from ICE is real data.

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ah. Gotcha.
Could you answer my question?

There is lots more information I’d like to see. But it’s important to look at numbers realistically. There are over 10 million undocumented people in the US. Criminal records are a lot more common than I had realized among the population as a wholel. There’s no reason to expect them to,be an exception.

“Available data indicates that a relatively small percentage of undocumented immigrants have committed crimes (excluding the fact that they are in the country without authorization). As of September, the DHS says, there were 6.2 million people on the “non-detained docket,” which means they live in the United States while their immigration cases are pending or removal is deferred for other reasons. Of that number, nearly 620,000, or 10 percent, have a criminal conviction or pending criminal charges, according to data analyzed by the House Judiciary Committee. The nature of those crimes is not clear. (The FBI estimates that about 30 percent of the adult U.S. population has a criminal record, such as a felony arrest or conviction, though the figure also includes some misdemeanors.)”. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/02/29/truth-about-illegal-immigration-crime/

I am nearly certain that this was true under Trump as well. ICE didn’t have enough people to deport all the criminal aliens then either.

Immigation is largely determinated by laws, court decisions and staff levels, as well as by conditions in other parts of the world. I would agree that we need changes in all of these. Pointing at your political opponents rather than helping with the laws and staffing isn't helpful.

Vambram said:

I'm not sure. But I suspect it would be convictions in their country of origin.

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I find that number 13,099 a bit hard to believe. There's no systematic data, because many states don't report cconvictions by immigration status. However Texas does. Here's an analysis of a different claim for a large number of murderers among illegal immigrants: https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/...yearly-by-undocumented-immigrants-2024-09-27/. From the Reuters article: "A June 2024 analysis, opens new tab by the libertarian think tank Cato Institute’s Alex Nowrasteh found that, for the years 2013-2022, the homicide conviction rate in Texas for “illegal immigrants” was 2.2 per 100,000, while that of native-born Americans was 3.0 per 100,000." (Original of Cato article: https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/illegal-immigrant-murderers-texas-2013-2022)

It's even less likelly that they would get reliable data from places like El Salvador and Venezula.

I note that when the people are said to be free, that means that they are on the ICE list of people not detailed by ICE. That doesn't mean that they have been detained by states. NY, for example, tries and imprisons people without regard to citizenship.

The report from ICE with this number also notes that by law, people convicted of homocide are normally not eligible for release. But it's not at all clear whether the counts shown in the list were convictions known before they were released, or somehow estimated after release. Certainly if they were known, and if ICE is obeying the law they cite, it's hard to understand how they could have released that number of murderers.

There's something going on that is not obvious. Unfortunately ICE doesn't tell us the source of their numbers or even precisely what they mean.

Hee's another source of data: Criminal Noncitizen Statistics. It shows much, much lower numbers of homocides.

Here's what it comes from: "Records checks of available law enforcement databases following the apprehension of an individual may reveal a history of criminal conviction(s). That conviction information is recorded in a U.S. Customs and Border Protection database, from which the data below is derived." It shows convictions both inn the US and foreign at the time of the apprehension. It shows homocides in the 1 and 2 digits per year.

Unfortunately it's not clear to me whether "apprehensions" is the same thing as the actions that put people onto the detained or non detained lists.