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I know Fr. Spitzer said this on his website, below, but does that include the entirety of Jesus life compared to Horus or only part?:


Spitzer: I can give you a brief answer to your specific question.

To be quite frank, the history of Jesus of Nazareth is not derived from the myth of Horus.
 
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It's anti-christian propaganda. Nothing more, nothing less.

Put your trust in God.
 
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Well isn’t there a reason it’s called a myth? It was told in various ways over a few thousand years which version are we talking about? The myth of Horus is an ancient urban legend.
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Many atheists, neo-pagans, and other disbelievers of Christianity claim the story of Jesus Christ was borrowed from earlier mythologies. In recent years, a claim has been making the rounds that Jesus is based on the Egyptian god, Horus.

Who was Horus?​

Horus is one of the oldest recorded deities in the ancient Egyptian religion. Often depicted as a falcon or a man with a falcon head, Horus was believed to be the god of the sun and of war. Initially he appeared as a local god, but over time the ancient Egyptians came to believe the reigning pharaoh was a manifestation of Horus (cf. Encyclopedia Britannica, “Horus”).

What about Jesus?​

The skeptical claims being made about Jesus are not always the same. In some versions he was a persuasive teacher whose followers later attempted to deify him by adopting aspects of earlier god-figures, while in others he is merely an amalgamation of myths and never really existed at all. Both versions attempt to provide evidence that the Gospel accounts of the life of Christ are rip-offs.
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In the 2008 documentary film Religulous (whose name is a combination of religion and ridiculous), erstwhile comedian and political commentator Bill Maher confronts an unprepared Christian with this claim. Here is part of their interaction.
Bill Maher: But the Jesus story wasn’t original.
Christian man: How so?
Maher: Written in 1280 B.C., the Book of the Dead describes a God, Horus. Horus is the son of the god Osiris, born to a virgin mother. He was baptized in a river by Anup the Baptizer who was later beheaded. Like Jesus, Horus was tempted while alone in the desert, healed the sick, the blind, cast out demons, and walked on water. He raised Asar from the dead. “Asar” translates to “Lazarus.” Oh, yeah, he also had twelve disciples. Yes, Horus was crucified first, and after three days, two women announced Horus, the savior of humanity, had been resurrected.
Maher is only repeating things that are and believed by many people today. Similar claims are made in movies such as Zeitgeist and Religulousand in pseudo-academic books such as Christ in Egypt: The Jesus-Horus Connection and Pagan Origins of the Christ Myth.

Often Christians are not prepared for this type of encounter, and some are even swayed by this line of argumentation. Maher’s tirade provides a good summary of the claims, so let’s deconstruct it, one line at a time.

Written in 1280 BC, the Book of the Dead describes a God, Horus.​


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A lot of this nonsense has its source in "The Two Babylons", written by Alexander Hislop in 1858 wherein he uses a false methodology of claiming that because something in Roman Catholicism looks or sounds similar to some ancient pagan thing/concept/word then the former is obviously derived from the latter, despite no evidence. In his attacks on Catholicism he inadvertently undermined all Christian beliefs, at least he would have if any of his claims were true.
 
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Well isn’t there a reason it’s called a myth? It was told in various ways over a few thousand years which version are we talking about? The myth of Horus is an ancient urban legend.
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Many atheists, neo-pagans, and other disbelievers of Christianity claim the story of Jesus Christ was borrowed from earlier mythologies. In recent years, a claim has been making the rounds that Jesus is based on the Egyptian god, Horus.

Who was Horus?

Horus is one of the oldest recorded deities in the ancient Egyptian religion. Often depicted as a falcon or a man with a falcon head, Horus was believed to be the god of the sun and of war. Initially he appeared as a local god, but over time the ancient Egyptians came to believe the reigning pharaoh was a manifestation of Horus (cf. Encyclopedia Britannica, “Horus”).

What about Jesus?

The skeptical claims being made about Jesus are not always the same. In some versions he was a persuasive teacher whose followers later attempted to deify him by adopting aspects of earlier god-figures, while in others he is merely an amalgamation of myths and never really existed at all. Both versions attempt to provide evidence that the Gospel accounts of the life of Christ are rip-offs.
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In the 2008 documentary film Religulous (whose name is a combination of religion and ridiculous), erstwhile comedian and political commentator Bill Maher confronts an unprepared Christian with this claim. Here is part of their interaction.

Maher is only repeating things that are and believed by many people today. Similar claims are made in movies such as Zeitgeist and Religulousand in pseudo-academic books such as Christ in Egypt: The Jesus-Horus Connection and Pagan Origins of the Christ Myth.

Often Christians are not prepared for this type of encounter, and some are even swayed by this line of argumentation. Maher’s tirade provides a good summary of the claims, so let’s deconstruct it, one line at a time.


Written in 1280 BC, the Book of the Dead describes a God, Horus.



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So, in a nutshell, Christianity was not stolen from Horus? Or anything else?
 
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I think if you ask that you have a problem, the problem: Like Jesus said we need to be born again, then we can have His Spirit in us, the same Jesus the bible talks about, you can know Him, even if through 'a mirror' like Paul i think says, Horus can't do that.
 
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So, in a nutshell, Christianity was not stolen from Horus? Or anything else?
No, Christianity was not stolen from anything else. You can find all kinds of parallels between all kinds of things but that does not prove any real correlation at all.

I do think there is some truth to the thought that those religions were 'pointers' to Christ in their respctive cultures. This is an interesting book about that:

 
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No, Christianity was not stolen from anything else. You can find all kinds of parallels between all kinds of things but that does not prove any real correlation at all.

I do think there is some truth to the thought that those religions were 'pointers' to Christ in their respctive cultures. This is an interesting book about that:

What do you mean that those religions were pointers to Christ?
 
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What do you mean that those religions were pointers to Christ?
This article is kind of long but addresses your initial question plus this question. Here is the end of it that talks about how these religions point to Christ:

Hints and Glimpses​

C.S. Lewis said that it didn’t bother him that Christianity has links with earlier religions: What would have bothered him was if it didn’t have links with earlier religions. The fact is, you can find echoes and connecting points between Christianity and all the other religions both ancient and modern, and it is this fact which validates rather than invalidates Christianity. If a religion is not only true but more true than all the other religions, then it should connect with all those other religions at the points where they are true.

The Catholic understanding is that there are echoes, connections, and similarities among Catholicism and all the other religions because Catholicism fulfills them and transforms them from within. The other religions are partial truths. They are hints and guesses at the truth. They are the riddles and Christ is the revelation which completes them and answers their questions. The Hebrew religion was the one which most perfectly pointed to the coming Christ, but each of the pagan religions and philosophies in their own way—some better than others—point to and prophesy the coming of Christ.

The Church Fathers saw that every aspect of the ancient world (not just the religions) were imperfect but definite pointers to Christ. In the myths and philosophies, in both the horrors and the glories of the ancient world, they heard echoes of the Word of God and saw glimpses of glory. So the Fathers loved to use quotes from the ancient philosophers which hinted at the fullness of revelation that would come in Christ. The most famous is from Virgil’s fourth Eclogue, written the century before the coming of Christ. It expresses the longing of the pagan heart for a coming Redeemer.

The virgin is returning . . .
A new human race is descending from the heights of heaven . . .
The birth of a child, with whom the iron age of humanity will end and the golden age begin . . .
Catholicism is not the practice of paganism, but the fulfillment of the hints and glimpses of revelation that are given in every ancient religion, philosophy, and prophecy. Truth, wherever it appears, is Catholic truth, and once we see the beautiful and true relationship between other religions and philosophies and the Catholic faith, the sooner we will see their beautiful fulfillment in one faith, one baptism, one flock, one Shepherd, and one Lord.


 
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A lot of this nonsense has its source in "The Two Babylons", written by Alexander Hislop in 1858 wherein he uses a false methodology of claiming that because something in Roman Catholicism looks or sounds similar to some ancient pagan thing/concept/word then the former is obviously derived from the latter, despite no evidence. In his attacks on Catholicism he inadvertently undermined all Christian beliefs, at least he would have if any of his claims were true.
Thanks for the input!
 
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No, Christianity was not stolen from anything else. You can find all kinds of parallels between all kinds of things but that does not prove any real correlation at all.

I do think there is some truth to the thought that those religions were 'pointers' to Christ in their respctive cultures. This is an interesting book about that:

Thanks for the amazon link!

I just ordered that book, even though I have a very long TBR :)

Blessings
 
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Thanks for the amazon link!

I just ordered that book, even though I have a very long TBR :)

Blessings
I’ve got a long TBR too. Even library books keep accumulating. I haven’t bought any in a long time, though.
 
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