How resounding was Kamala Harris’s debate win? Let’s look at the polls.

FreeinChrist · Sep 11, 2024

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/09/11/kamala-harris-debate-performance-polls/

Vice President Kamala Harris turned in one of the more resounding debate performances in recent decades on Tuesday night — to the point where Donald Trump’s allies have struggled to locate a silver lining......

We’ve so far seen two instant polls — one from CNN and another from YouGov.

The CNN poll showed Harris winning the debate 63 percent to 37 percent among debate-watchers, while the YouGov poll showed her winning 54-31 among registered voters who watched at least some of the debate, with 14 percent unsure. (Trump has cited his own improbably wide margins in some unscientific online polls — posting a series of them on Truth Social — but those polls don’t reflect the actual electorate.)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/09/11/harris-trump-debate-analysis/

If debates matter, this one should. But the overriding question in such a divided country is whether it will.

The final weeks of the campaign promise to be as contentious as the 90-minute encounter at the National Constitution Center and hosted by ABC News, with polls showing no clear leader and a nation hanging nervously on the outcome. If there were doubts about Harris’s ability to weather what will be a brutal stretch, they were at least partially answered with her sharp and steady performance on Tuesday. But given the state of the race, neither candidate can afford missteps or mistakes.

Harris, who was under pressure to define herself more fully to voters who barely know her, did so less by outlining her positions on policies, though she did some of that, and more by being vigorous and unrelenting in attacking Trump. She played prosecutor from start to finish. She called him a threat to the future of the country if he is returned to the Oval Office. She portrayed him as obsessed with himself rather than the people he seeks to serve. She detailed his criminal convictions and the indictments against him. She even needled him about crowd sizes. It was a dominating performance. Trump has not been challenged so directly and so consistently in his political life. No wonder he misses Biden.

Vambram · Sep 11, 2024

That opinion article is under a paywall. I cannot even try to read the obviously liberally biased opinion of the author of that article.

Fantine · Sep 11, 2024

It's up to Independents and undecideds, who clearly preferred Harris' debate performance.
The it's a matter of getting the vote out. Which side will be more motivated?.
I think it will be Democrats. The ones who voted in force in 2018 for Trump damage control will be even more motivated.
The growing number of young voters saw a candidate last night whose grip on reality seemed more tenuous than Biden's. It was a picture of a man way past his prime ready to implode.

Servus · Sep 12, 2024

From the WP article:

Hillary Clinton’s 62-27 win over Trump in the first debate of 2016.
Mitt Romney’s 67-25 win over then-President Barack Obama in the first debate of 2012.

Fantine · Sep 12, 2024

Sounds like there won't be a second debate, though.
I remember both those debates. I always think of the 2016 debate as the stalking gorilla debate. There's no accounting for taste, but the loser of that debate left an impression that permanently disqualified him from future consideration.
Obama and Romney 2012...I was at a conference in Miami in a hotel room. I thought the debate was close. Romney was aggressive, unlikable, continually interrupting. So that's what you do to win? I thought.
I think no-drama Obama, as he was called, perceived that if a black man did the same it would be perceived by some as menacing.
Society looks at aggression by women and blacks differently.

Debate winner or not, America made the right decision in 2012.

Postvieww · Sep 12, 2024

FreeinChrist said:
Vice President Kamala Harris turned in one of the more resounding debate

She did show up with a well rehearsed scripted PERFORMANCE but the only thing resounding was her flip flops, lies, sarcastic grins and diversions. I counted at least 5 of her lies in the first two questions.

wing2000 · Sep 12, 2024

Postvieww said:
She did show up with a well rehearsed scripted PERFORMANCE but the only thing resounding was her flip flops, lies, sarcastic grins and diversions. I counted at least 5 of her lies in the first two questions.

You mean Harris outperformed the reality star on TV? That's gotta hurt Trump's feelings.

GoldenBoy89 · Sep 12, 2024

Postvieww said:
She did show up with a well rehearsed scripted PERFORMANCE

Weird way of saying she did better than you expected.

Bradskii · Sep 12, 2024

Postvieww said:
She did show up with a well rehearsed scripted PERFORMANCE...

What did you think was going to happen? She knew what questions were likely to be asked, she practiced answering them with her team and there were no stumbles, no ums and ahs, she said exactly what she wanted to say and she sounded word perfect. Now you might not like what she said, but then she wasn't saying it for your benefit.

So yes, it was a performance. And a faultless one at that.

Postvieww · Sep 12, 2024

GoldenBoy89 said:
Weird way of saying she did better than you expected.

She was better at line memorization, lies and facial expressions but utterly failed at articulating any kind of coherent policy.

Bradskii · Sep 12, 2024

Postvieww said:
She was better at line memorization, lies and facial expressions but utterly failed at articulating any kind of coherent policy.

And when Trump had the opportunity to discuss what he would do regarding one of the major points of interest -the economy, he completely wasted it. He mentioned tariffs briefly (which will mean higher prices for overseas goods for Americans) and the rest of his time was spent on immigration, using the same ol' same ol' from his stump rhetoric: '...we have millions of people pouring into our country from prisons and jails, from mental institutions and insane asylums.'

At least he didn't mention anyone from The Silence Of The Lamb (sic)'.

GoldenBoy89 · Sep 12, 2024

Postvieww said:
She was better at line memorization,

That’s called being prepared in contrast to Trump who was clearly not prepared for the debate. Winging it is not how a professional handles these things.

Postvieww said:
lies and facial expressions but utterly failed at articulating any kind of coherent policy.

She did outline several policy differences between her and Trump but then he had his very public meltdown next to her and that pretty much took over the rest of the debate. after that it was like watching a child be led around by an adult. She’d set the bait and he would take it every time.

wing2000 · Sep 12, 2024

Postvieww said:
She was better at line memorization, lies and facial expressions but utterly failed at articulating any kind of coherent policy.

"My plan is to give a $50,000 tax deduction to start-up small businesses, knowing they are part of the backbone of America's economy. My opponent, on the other hand, his plan is to do what he has done before, which is to provide a tax cut for billionaires and big corporations, which will result in $5 trillion to America's deficit. My opponent has a plan that I call the Trump sales tax, which would be a 20% tax on everyday goods that you rely on to get through the month. Economists have said that Trump's sales tax would actually result for middle-class families in about $4,000 more a year because of his policies and his ideas about what should be the backs of middle-class people paying for tax cuts for billionaires."

....sounds coherent to me.

wing2000 · Sep 12, 2024

GoldenBoy89 said:
That’s called being prepared in contrast to Trump who was clearly not prepared for the debate. Winging it is not how a professional handles these things.

She did outline several policy differences between her and Trump but then he had his very public meltdown next to her and that pretty much took over the rest of the debate. after that it was like watching a child be led around by an adult. She’d set the bait and he would take it every time.

Yes, Harris only had to mention his rallies....and the rest was history. That ego is easily triggered. It wasn't until his closing statment that Trump seem to recall what his main talking point should have been for the entire debated.

GoldenBoy89 · Sep 12, 2024

wing2000 said:
"My plan is to give a $50,000 tax deduction to start-up small businesses, knowing they are part of the backbone of America's economy. My opponent, on the other hand, his plan is to do what he has done before, which is to provide a tax cut for billionaires and big corporations, which will result in $5 trillion to America's deficit. My opponent has a plan that I call the Trump sales tax, which would be a 20% tax on everyday goods that you rely on to get through the month. Economists have said that Trump's sales tax would actually result for middle-class families in about $4,000 more a year because of his policies and his ideas about what should be the backs of middle-class people paying for tax cuts for billionaires."

....sounds coherent to me.

Compare that to:

THEY’RE EATING THE DAWGS

Postvieww · Sep 12, 2024

Bradskii said:
And when Trump had the opportunity to discuss what he would do regarding one of the major points of interest -the economy, he completely wasted it. He mentioned tariffs briefly (which will mean higher prices for overseas goods for Americans) and the rest of his time was spent on immigration, using the same ol' same ol' from his stump rhetoric: '...we have millions of people pouring into our country from prisons and jails, from mental institutions and insane asylums.'

At least he didn't mention anyone from The Silence Of The Lamb (sic)'.

True Trump did miss some opportunities in the debate but he already has a record for creating economic growth. Although not brought up in the the debate he has Elon Musk agreeing to head up a task force to cut waste in every department. That alone is a major step in the direction of physical responsibility. Kamala had nothing in proposed policies to help this economy but vague platitudes. If the people of this nation want to move even closer to a socialist government or worse Kamala is your girl. Trump is far from a perfect man but in this election cycle he is the only hope we have to save this nation . Kamala is an empty suit extreme liberal.

Bradskii · Sep 12, 2024

wing2000 said:
"My plan is to give a $50,000 tax deduction to start-up small businesses, knowing they are part of the backbone of America's economy. My opponent, on the other hand, his plan is to do what he has done before, which is to provide a tax cut for billionaires and big corporations, which will result in $5 trillion to America's deficit. My opponent has a plan that I call the Trump sales tax, which would be a 20% tax on everyday goods that you rely on to get through the month. Economists have said that Trump's sales tax would actually result for middle-class families in about $4,000 more a year because of his policies and his ideas about what should be the backs of middle-class people paying for tax cuts for billionaires."

....sounds coherent to me.

And he was given 3 further opportunities to propose what he was going to do. And wasted each one. A couple of lines yet again about tariffs (which Harris comprehensively dismantled) and then it was back to criminals coming over the border. You could almost hear his team slapping their foreheads in the background.

wing2000 · Sep 12, 2024

LINSEY DAVIS: So just a yes or no, you still do not have a plan?

FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I have concepts of a plan. I'm not president right now. But if we come up with something I would only change it if we come up with something better and less expensive. And there are concepts and options we have to do that. And you'll be hearing about it in the not-too-distant future.

.....and Trump (and the GOP) still don't have a plan.

Bradskii · Sep 12, 2024

Postvieww said:
True Trump did miss some opportunities in the debate but he already has a record for creating economic growth.

And he couldn't articulate what he would do if elected? There was nothing. Zip. Nada. How could he not be prepared for what is probably the biggest hot topic issue of the election? He was made to look as if he had no idea. And to be honest, maybe he doesn't.

GoldenBoy89 · Sep 12, 2024

wing2000 said:
Yes, Harris only had to mention his rallies....and the rest was history. That ego is easily triggered. It wasn't until his closing statment that Trump seem to recall what his main talking point should have been for the entire debated.

She set off a tactical nuke when she brought up his bizarre rallies and the wild tales he tells at them. He couldn’t recover after that and even his closing remarks when he did manage to get back to his point, was one of the worst closing statements I’ve ever heard in a debate. I don’t think he even told people to vote once.

How resounding was Kamala Harris’s debate win? Let’s look at the polls.

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