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Maryland high school shooting: 15-year-old student killed; 16-year-old arrested

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Law enforcement officers respond to a shooting at Joppatowne High School in Joppa, Maryland, on Sept. 6, 2024.
Law enforcement officers respond to a shooting at Joppatowne High School in Joppa, Maryland, on Sept. 6, 2024. | Screenshot: WBALTV.com

A 16-year-old student allegedly shot and killed a 15-year-old boy during an altercation in the boys’ bathroom at Joppatowne High School in Joppa, Maryland, on Friday, according to Harford County Sheriff Jeff Gahler. The suspect has been arrested.

The victim, identified as Warren Curtis Grant, was quickly attended to by fellow students, school nurses and the principal after being removed from the bathroom, Gahler told reporters at a news conference.

Gahler said that the student was airlifted to a trauma center, where he succumbed to his injuries shortly after his arrival.

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Well, if a school district is unwilling to purchase metal detectors because they've spent too much money on transgender instruction materials and homosexual-friendly textbooks, then this sort of thing is going to happen.

I'm sorry it happens, but with the condition of American public schools these days, I don't find it in the slightest bit surprising. The culture in general, and the schools in particular, foster atmospheres of tribalism, racist unrest, moral nihilism, and all of it without any worry of consequences whatsoever---so it shouldn't shock anyone that the little barbarians we're raising end up busting caps at each other.

But remember, liberals and leftists: *YOU* are the ones who said the Ten Commandments, the Bible, and prayers had no place in the schools. *YOU* are the ones who decided that encouraging Christian morality and a sense of decency and respect and consideration for others was a "violation of the children's rights". *YOU* were the ones who said that schools had to be integrated, whether the students were ready to blend two vastly different cultures or not. *YOU* are the ones who said firearm safety and hunting courses had to be discontinued. *YOU* are the ones who encourage children to defy their parents and secretly engage in whatever new trendy theory comes along, if it fits your cockeyed agendas. *YOU* are the ones who refused to punish bullying in the schools, or allow victim kids to defend themselves against bullies, punishing the victims for retaliating, instead of punishing the bullies for their actions to begin with. And on, and on, and on. So: don't *YOU* come bellyaching about school shootings when they happen, because it was *YOU* who nurtured the environment which promotes such disordered behavior to begin with.
 
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Well, if a school district is unwilling to purchase metal detectors because they've spent too much money on transgender instruction materials and homosexual-friendly textbooks, then this sort of thing is going to happen.

It takes an awful lot to make a high school kid shooting another high school kid over a confrontation into the fault of the LGBTs. None of that transgender or homosexual-friendly textbook stuff was being taught in 1997 in Pearl, Mississippi when 16-year-old Luke Woodham shot and killed his former girlfriend, Christina Mafee, and another person at Pearl High School, and nobody would think to blame heterosexuals or heterosexual-friendly books for that, despite the fact that Woodham was clearly upset over the end of his heterosexual relationship with Mafee.

But remember, liberals and leftists: *YOU* are the ones who said the Ten Commandments, the Bible, and prayers had no place in the schools.

That was Madalyn Murray O'Hair, in the case Murray v. Curlett (1960), which was eventually consolidated with Arlington School District v. Schmepp (1963) and heard before the Supreme Court in 1963, which decided that mandatory public Bible reading by students in public schools was indeed unconstitutional. There is still nothing saying that students can't read the Bible privately at their public school, or even lead Bible readings or discussions at their public schools as part of voluntary school clubs. Please see the U.S. Department of Education's guidance on this here, which states in part:

A public school and its officials may not prescribe prayers to be recited by students or by school authorities. Indeed, "it is a cornerstone principle of [the U.S. Supreme Court's] Establishment Clause jurisprudence that 'it is no part of the business of government to compose official prayers for any group of the American people to recite as a part of a religious program carried on by government.'" Nothing in the First Amendment, however, converts the public schools into religion-free zones, or requires students, teachers, or other school officials to leave their private religious expression behind at the schoolhouse door. The line between government-sponsored and privately initiated religious expression is vital to a proper understanding of what the Religion and Free Speech Clauses of the First Amendment prohibit and protect. Although a government may not promote or favor religion or coerce the consciences of students, schools also may not discriminate against private religious expression by students, teachers, or other employees.

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In short, prayer was not banned or taken out of public schools; school-mandated prayer and Bible-reading was.

The rest of your reasons are naked political tribalism, so I don't think they're worth anyone's time to reply to, but on the oft-repeated "liberals took prayer out of public schools/banned the Bible in schools" charge, that's simply not true. School-mandated prayer or Bible reading is not the sum of those activities.
 
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It takes an awful lot to make a high school kid shooting another high school kid over a confrontation into the fault of the LGBTs. None of that transgender or homosexual-friendly textbook stuff was being taught in 1997 in Pearl, Mississippi when 16-year-old Luke Woodham shot and killed his former girlfriend, Christina Mafee, and another person at Pearl High School, and nobody would think to blame heterosexuals or heterosexual-friendly books for that, despite the fact that Woodham was clearly upset over the end of his heterosexual relationship with Mafee.



That was Madalyn Murray O'Hair, in the case Murray v. Curlett (1960), which was eventually consolidated with Arlington School District v. Schmepp (1963) and heard before the Supreme Court in 1963, which decided that mandatory public Bible reading by students in public schools was indeed unconstitutional. There is still nothing saying that students can't read the Bible privately at their public school, or even lead Bible readings or discussions at their public schools as part of voluntary school clubs. Please see the U.S. Department of Education's guidance on this here, which states in part:

A public school and its officials may not prescribe prayers to be recited by students or by school authorities. Indeed, "it is a cornerstone principle of [the U.S. Supreme Court's] Establishment Clause jurisprudence that 'it is no part of the business of government to compose official prayers for any group of the American people to recite as a part of a religious program carried on by government.'" Nothing in the First Amendment, however, converts the public schools into religion-free zones, or requires students, teachers, or other school officials to leave their private religious expression behind at the schoolhouse door. The line between government-sponsored and privately initiated religious expression is vital to a proper understanding of what the Religion and Free Speech Clauses of the First Amendment prohibit and protect. Although a government may not promote or favor religion or coerce the consciences of students, schools also may not discriminate against private religious expression by students, teachers, or other employees.

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In short, prayer was not banned or taken out of public schools; school-mandated prayer and Bible-reading was.

The rest of your reasons are naked political tribalism, so I don't think they're worth anyone's time to reply to, but on the oft-repeated "liberals took prayer out of public schools/banned the Bible in schools" charge, that's simply not true. School-mandated prayer or Bible reading is not the sum of those activities.
You're entitled to your opinion. But for the record, I am not blaming school shootings on "LGBT" or on the banning of school prayer. I am saying that the nihilistic, anti-moral atmosphere in the schools, and in society overall, is what gives rise to school shootings. There has been a massive shift in our society over the last 60 years, away from what most of us would consider to be good, decent, sane behavior, to what we have now. We are a nation that is rapidly eroding away into anarchy, chaos, and eventually, non-existence.
 
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You're entitled to your opinion. But for the record, I am not blaming school shootings on "LGBT" or on the banning of school prayer. I am saying that the nihilistic, anti-moral atmosphere in the schools, and in society overall, is what gives rise to school shootings. There has been a massive shift in our society over the last 60 years, away from what most of us would consider to be good, decent, sane behavior, to what we have now. We are a nation that is rapidly eroding away into anarchy, chaos, and eventually, non-existence.
I don't disagree and you aren't wrong.
 
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It takes an awful lot to make a high school kid shooting another high school kid over a confrontation into the fault of the LGBTs. None of that transgender or homosexual-friendly textbook stuff was being taught in 1997 in Pearl, Mississippi when 16-year-old Luke Woodham shot and killed his former girlfriend, Christina Mafee, and another person at Pearl High School, and nobody would think to blame heterosexuals or heterosexual-friendly books for that, despite the fact that Woodham was clearly upset over the end of his heterosexual relationship with Mafee.



That was Madalyn Murray O'Hair, in the case Murray v. Curlett (1960), which was eventually consolidated with Arlington School District v. Schmepp (1963) and heard before the Supreme Court in 1963, which decided that mandatory public Bible reading by students in public schools was indeed unconstitutional. There is still nothing saying that students can't read the Bible privately at their public school, or even lead Bible readings or discussions at their public schools as part of voluntary school clubs. Please see the U.S. Department of Education's guidance on this here, which states in part:

A public school and its officials may not prescribe prayers to be recited by students or by school authorities. Indeed, "it is a cornerstone principle of [the U.S. Supreme Court's] Establishment Clause jurisprudence that 'it is no part of the business of government to compose official prayers for any group of the American people to recite as a part of a religious program carried on by government.'" Nothing in the First Amendment, however, converts the public schools into religion-free zones, or requires students, teachers, or other school officials to leave their private religious expression behind at the schoolhouse door. The line between government-sponsored and privately initiated religious expression is vital to a proper understanding of what the Religion and Free Speech Clauses of the First Amendment prohibit and protect. Although a government may not promote or favor religion or coerce the consciences of students, schools also may not discriminate against private religious expression by students, teachers, or other employees.

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In short, prayer was not banned or taken out of public schools; school-mandated prayer and Bible-reading was.

The rest of your reasons are naked political tribalism, so I don't think they're worth anyone's time to reply to, but on the oft-repeated "liberals took prayer out of public schools/banned the Bible in schools" charge, that's simply not true. School-mandated prayer or Bible reading is not the sum of those activities.
Ah, yes. Thanks for the info.

Madalyn Murray O'Hair wasn't exactly a great person or someone anyone should emulate. She, her son, and granddaughter were all brutally tortured and murdered by a fellow atheist she defrauded. Their skeletal bodies were found about 5 years after their deaths. Interesting to note, her oldest Son became a Baptist preacher and she disowned him.
 
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Ah, yes. Thanks for the info.

Madalyn Murray O'Hair wasn't exactly a great person or someone anyone should emulate. She, her son, and granddaughter were all brutally tortured and murdered by a fellow atheist she defrauded. Their skeletal bodies were found about 5 years after their deaths. Interesting to note, her oldest Son became a Baptist preacher and she disowned him.
O'Hair was a terrible, awful human being. I have little doubt that she was firmly under the control of the devil that she no doubt would have denied the existence of.
 
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O'Hair was a terrible, awful human being. I have little doubt that she was firmly under the control of the devil that she no doubt would have denied the existence of.
Agreed. I’m sure she has some regrets now.
 
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