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Pope Francis: Intentionally hurting migrants ‘is a grave sin’

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Pope Francis said Wednesday those who knowingly and intentionally “repel” migrants are committing a grave sin.

Breaking from the current theme of his general audiences Aug. 28, the pope spoke at length about the poor conditions of migrants who attempt to cross a sea or desert to reach safety but who sometimes lose their lives in the process.

“The tragedy is that many, the majority of these deaths, could have been prevented,” Francis underlined in his speech to thousands in St. Peter’s Square.

“It must be said clearly: There are those who work systematically and with every means possible to repel migrants,” he said. “And this, when done with awareness and responsibility, is a grave sin.”

Departing from his prepared remarks, the pontiff recalled seeing the heartbreaking viral photo of the wife and child of Pato Crepin, who died in the desert in the summer of 2023 while trying to cross the border into Tunisia on their way to Europe.

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I wonder if Pope Innocent I felt the same way.....?

(Rome being sacked by the Visigoths, 410 A.D.)

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I wonder if Pope Innocent I felt the same way.....?

(Rome being sacked by the Visigoths, 410 A.D.)

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Rome had a right to defend their lands from the Visigoths....if that happened in America...I don't know how his holiness would respond.
 
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Rome had a right to defend their lands from the Visigoths....if that happened in America...I don't know how his holiness would respond.
Well, that's just it. Between 400 A.D. and 550 A.D., Rome was invaded, besieged, and sacked no less than five times, by the Visigoths, Vandals, Burgundians, and Ostrogoths; each time, the event included the wanton destruction of irreplaceable art, the pulling down and smashing of statues--especially if they were coated with precious metals, which was stripped from the stone, smelted down, and carried off, the looting of churches, the robbing of private homes of anything considered of value, the rape of thousands of women, wholesale slaughter of men and children, and the capture of thousands more, to be sold off into slavery. Whatever was left was indiscriminately burned.

If something similar were to happen here, I'm not sure how His Holiness would respond, either. Considering that the factions with the most power who want to crash our borders include Latin American drug cartels, corrupt banana republic regimes, Communist Chinese, and jihadist Muslims, I'm not sure how the "baptism doesn't end at the border" argument would work. Those factions are not Christians, and they don't want to come here to settle down and live peacefully; they want to come here to get their hands on whatever goodies we have that they can appropriate for themselves, and to destroy whatever threat they feel we represent to them.

And, if they took us down, we'd have precisely the same situation they had in ancient Rome: whatever organs there are that might have helped those truly in need will be completely and permanently destroyed, the infrastructure will collapse, the currency will become worthless, and most likely, an extended period of chaos and anarchy will ensue. (When Rome fell, Western Europe became a hazardous battleground dominated by vicious armed gangs for approximately 400 years.) How does the creation of a situation like that help anyone?
 
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