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H.R. McMaster Doesn’t Think Donald Trump Is Very Good at Making Deals

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A new memoir by the onetime national security adviser shows how the former president’s insecurities and weaknesses harmed U.S. foreign policy.​
Recently on the campaign trail, Donald Trump has talked up his aggressive stance on China, positioning himself as a tough negotiator in a brutal trade war. But a new memoir by Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster, one of Trump’s national security advisers, throws that narrative, and many other stories that Trump tells about his time in office, into stark relief.​
As McMaster writes in “At War With Ourselves,” the president could sometimes be kept on the straight and narrow with a clever dose of reverse psychology (Xi Jinping wants you to say this, Xi Jinping wants you to say that). But just as often, McMaster shows Trump to have been an unpredictable waffler who undermined himself to the advantage of his competitors on the world stage.​
In November 2017, President Trump visited China on the third leg of a 13-day trip around Asia. It was his “most consequential” destination, McMaster explains. As they flew to Beijing, he warned Trump that Xi would try to trick him into saying something that was good for China, but bad for the United States and its allies. “The C.C.P.’s favorite phrase, ‘win-win,’” he recalls telling his boss at one point, “actually meant that China won twice.”​
Trump seemed to hear him, but in the Great Hall of the People, the president strayed from his talking points. He agreed with Xi that military exercises in South Korea were “provocative” and a “waste of money” and suggested that China might have a legitimate claim to Japan’s Senkaku Islands. McMaster, his stomach sinking, passed a note to Gen. John Kelly, the chief of staff: Xi “ate our lunch,” it read.​
“At War With Ourselves” is intended to be a companion to “Battlegrounds,” McMaster’s 2020 assessment of U.S. foreign policy backsliding since the Cold War, but it works well as a stand-alone and serves as essential reading for anyone countenancing a potential second round of Trump as a global leader. The general shows how, despite his best efforts to help the president, the supposed master of the “art of the deal” was treated like a “chump” by a roster of the world’s top authoritarians.​
Flattery and pomp from leaders like Xi, Turkey’s Recep Tayyip Erdogan and the Russian president Vladimir V. Putin seem to have been all that was required to get in Trump’s good graces. In 2018, McMaster found Trump in the Oval Office scrawling a cheerful note to Putin across a New York Post article reporting that the Russian president had denigrated the American political system but called Trump a good listener. Like a child with his Christmas wish list, the leader of the free world asked McMaster to send it to the Kremlin. It was especially bad timing: Evidence was coming to light that Putin had directed an assassination on British soil. McMaster did not forward the note, later explaining to an infuriated Trump that his letter would “reinforce the narrative that you are somehow in the Kremlin’s pocket.”​

I might have to get this book.


 

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I don't think that was about Trump. In any case, the point of the OP is that the strong men that Trump seems to admire are laughing at him.
 
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Ukraine wasn't invaded and Gaza behaved while Trump was in office so I guess Biden was even worse at keeping authoritarians at bay. ;)
Parts of Ukraine were under Russian occupation for the whole of Trump's presidency and Trump's response was to use aid to Ukraine passed by Congress as leverage to get Ukraine to falsify information about Trump's political rivals.
 
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Parts of Ukraine were under Russian occupation for the whole of Trump's presidency and Trump's response was to use aid to Ukraine passed by Congress as leverage to get Ukraine to falsify information about Trump's political rivals.
And who's fault was it again?

I think his name started with O and talked about flexibility after the election with Putin. ;)
 
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I don't think that was about Trump. In any case, the point of the OP is that the strong men that Trump seems to admire are laughing at him.
They can laugh all they want, as long as they don't invade their neighbors and kill thousands of people. Under Trump, they didn't do that. Under Biden, it happened and continues happening.
 
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And who's fault was it again?

I think his name started with O and talked about flexibility after the election with Putin. ;)
Who's fault was it that Trump was trying to extort Zelenskyy? Trump, and no one else.
 
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Ukraine wasn't invaded and Gaza behaved while Trump was in office so I guess Biden was even worse at keeping authoritarians at bay. ;)
Palestinians didn't behave while Trump was in office and Putin wouldn't withdraw from the Ukraine when Trump was President.
 
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Four Nobel Peace Prize nominations - yeah boy! Trump was horrible. uh.... maybe not.

Oh, the Abrams Accord - the first peace agreement in how many decades?

The Abraham Accords are bilateral agreements on Arab–Israeli normalization signed between Israel and the United Arab Emirates and between Israel and Bahrain on September 15, 2020. Mediated by the United States, the announcement of August 13, 2020, concerned Israel and the UAE before the subsequent announcement of an agreement between Israel and Bahrain on September 11, 2020.​
McMasters was so right! Trump was so bad he negotiated a bilateral peace agreement between three countries in the Middle East.
 
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Four Nobel Peace Prize nominations - yeah boy! Trump was horrible. uh.... maybe not.

Oh, the Abrams Accord - the first peace agreement in how many decades?

The Abraham Accords are bilateral agreements on Arab–Israeli normalization signed between Israel and the United Arab Emirates and between Israel and Bahrain on September 15, 2020. Mediated by the United States, the announcement of August 13, 2020, concerned Israel and the UAE before the subsequent announcement of an agreement between Israel and Bahrain on September 11, 2020.​
McMasters was so right! Trump was so bad he negotiated a bilateral peace agreement between three countries in the Middle East.
Hitler and Stalin had been nominated at different times Trump was nominated by a far right Norwegian.

The Abraham accords were a business relationship between Israel and the UAE and 3 other countries none of which were not at war with Israel.

Jimmy Carter got a Nobel prize for brokering peace between Israel and Egypt who had been at war with each other.
 
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Here is a fact check regarding Trump's claim that there were no terrorist attacks or wars under his administration:

But Trump is wrong when he claims there were no terrorist attacks during his presidency. Laying aside domestic terrorism by right- or left-wing groups, the authoritative Global Terrorism Database maintained by the University of Maryland shows two major incidents tied to Islamist militants that resulted in fatalities.​

  • Dec. 6, 2019: “A member of the Saudi Air Force, identified as Mohammed Saeed Alshamrani, opened fire on a classroom in the Naval Air Base in Pensacola, Florida, United States. Four people, including the assailant, were killed and eight others were injured in the attack. Al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) claimed responsibility for the incident. Alshamrani posted criticism of U.S. wars and quoted Osama bin Laden on social media hours before the attack.”
  • Dec. 17, 2017: “An assailant driving a Home Depot rental truck entered a bike path in an attempt to run over civilians on the West Side Highway in Lower Manhattan, New York City, United States. Following the initial attack, the assailant exited the vehicle and was shot by a police officer after displaying imitation firearms. At least eight people, including two citizens from the United States, five Argentinian tourists, and one Belgian tourist, were killed and 13 other people, including the assailant, were injured in the attack. The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) claimed that the assailant, identified as Sayfullo Habibullaevic Saipov, was ‘one of the caliphate soldiers;’ however, sources doubted the veracity of this claim. Authorities also recovered a note from the vehicle in which Saipov pledged allegiance to ISIL.”
Both of these incidents garnered enormous attention, and Trump himself commented on the cases at the time. He even called the Saipov case a “terrorist attack” in his 2018 State of the Union address.....​
 
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The Abraham accords were a business relationship between Israel and the UAE and 3 other countries none of which were not at war with Israel.
And Jared, don't for get Jared and his business.
 
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Hitler and Stalin had been nominated at different times
Ah, the never fail Hitler defense - almost as effective as the race card defense.
Trump was nominated by a far right Norwegian.
Oh, far right -

Trump nominated a second time for Nobel Peace Prize


A member of the Swedish Parliament on Friday nominated President Trump

Now Sweden is far right?

In September 2020, two Scandinavian politicians announced separately they were nominating Trump for the 2021 Nobel Peace Prize. One of them, Christian Tybring-Gjedde of Norway.

Norway is now a far right Government?
The Abraham accords were a business relationship between Israel and the UAE and 3 other countries none of which were not at war with Israel.
Two nations recognizing the Sovereignty is not a business deal. Tell me when did an Arab Nation ever broker a peace deal with Israel.

Peace Accords PREVENT wars -
Jimmy Carter got a Nobel prize for brokering peace between Israel and Egypt who had been at war with each other.
Yay Jimmie - he also helped the Muslim Brotherhood take power in Egypt causing mass shootings -
Here is a fact check regarding Trump's claim that there were no terrorist attacks or wars under his administration:

But Trump is wrong when he claims there were no terrorist attacks during his presidency. Laying aside domestic terrorism by right- or left-wing groups, the authoritative Global Terrorism Database maintained by the University of Maryland shows two major incidents tied to Islamist militants that resulted in fatalities.​

  • Dec. 6, 2019: A member of the Saudi Air Force, identified as Mohammed Saeed Alshamrani, opened fire on a classroom in the Naval Air Base in Pensacola, Florida, United States. Four people, including the assailant, were killed and eight others were injured in the attack. Al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) claimed responsibility for the incident. Alshamrani posted criticism of U.S. wars and quoted Osama bin Laden on social media hours before the attack.”
  • Dec. 17, 2017: An assailant driving a Home Depot rental truck entered a bike path in an attempt to run over civilians on the West Side Highway in Lower Manhattan, New York City, United States. Following the initial attack, the assailant exited the vehicle and was shot by a police officer after displaying imitation firearms. At least eight people, including two citizens from the United States, five Argentinian tourists, and one Belgian tourist, were killed and 13 other people, including the assailant, were injured in the attack. The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) claimed that the assailant, identified as Sayfullo Habibullaevic Saipov, was ‘one of the caliphate soldiers;’ however, sources doubted the veracity of this claim. Authorities also recovered a note from the vehicle in which Saipov pledged allegiance to ISIL.”
Both of these incidents garnered enormous attention, and Trump himself commented on the cases at the time. He even called the Saipov case a “terrorist attack” in his 2018 State of the Union address.....​
Hmmm... two INDIVIDUAL attacks now equate to what happened on October 7 in Israel or the 13 who died at Biden/Harris debacle. Interesting
 
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"Ate our lunch."

In November 2017, President Trump visited China on the third leg of a 13-day trip around Asia. It was his “most consequential” destination, McMaster explains. As they flew to Beijing, he warned Trump that Xi would try to trick him into saying something that was good for China, but bad for the United States and its allies. “The C.C.P.’s favorite phrase, ‘win-win,’” he recalls telling his boss at one point, “actually meant that China won twice.
Trump seemed to hear him, but in the Great Hall of the People, the president strayed from his talking points. He agreed with Xi that military exercises in South Korea were “provocative” and a “waste of money” and suggested that China might have a legitimate claim to Japan’s Senkaku Islands. McMaster, his stomach sinking, passed a note to Gen. John Kelly, the chief of staff: Xi “ate our lunch,” it read.

The U.S. has been conducting military exercises in S. Korea since the end of the Korean War.....but Trump finds them "provocative".
 
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Ah, the never fail Hitler defense - almost as effective as the race card defense.

Oh, far right -
Point is that any lawmker can nominate for the Nobel Peace Prize


Trump nominated a second time for Nobel Peace Prize


A member of the Swedish Parliament on Friday nominated President Trump

Now Sweden is far right?
Read closer. A single Swedish lawmaker named Magnus Jacobsson is not the whole Swedish government. He is a member of the Christian Democrat Party which is center right.

There is a difference between 1 person and the whole Swedish government.

In September 2020, two Scandinavian politicians announced separately they were nominating Trump for the 2021 Nobel Peace Prize. One of them, Christian Tybring-Gjedde of Norway.

Norway is now a far right Government?
Again, one (or two) individual politicians do not make up the entire Norwegian government.


Two nations recognizing the Sovereignty is not a business deal. Tell me when did an Arab Nation ever broker a peace deal with Israel.

Peace Accords PREVENT wars -

Yay Jimmie - he also helped the Muslim Brotherhood take power in Egypt causing mass shootings -
Nope, Jimmy Carter met personally with Menachem Begin of Israel and Anwar Sadat at Camp David in 1978. The peace agreement was signed the next year. It ended the conflict that started when Israel was founded and the 6 day war in 1967 and war between Israel vs Egypt and Syria in 1973.

The Muslim Brotherhood was started back in 1928, and gradually grew. It became legalized after the 2011 Egyption revolution as they gained control of the parliment.

And Carter got the Nobel Peace Prize ""for his decades of untiring effort to find peaceful solutions to international conflicts, to advance democracy and human rights, and to promote economic and social development".
It included his efforts at Camp David.
 
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Here is an interview with McMaster but be careful you might not like some of the things he says.


....cross our fingers and hope a 2nd term Trump surrounds himself with advisors who respect the Constitution? Can you name any of those in Trump's circle who demonstraint these qualitiees?
 
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....cross our fingers and hope a 2nd term Trump surrounds himself with advisors who respect the Constitution? Can you name any of those in Trump's circle who demonstraint these qualitiees?
All we can do is hope because parties are to blame.
 
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All we can do is hope because parties are to blame.

Nope. Trump is accountable for the advisors he employs. Make no mistake about it, there will be no one in a 2nd term who will say "Mr President, what you are proposing is illegal." He will have no guardrails.
 
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Nope. Trump is accountable for the advisors he employs. Make no mistake about it, there will be no one in a 2nd term who will say "Mr President, what you are proposing is illegal." He will have no guardrails.
Censorship is a direct violation of my constitutional right and I'll leave it at that.
 
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