Harris campaign now says VP ‘does not support’ electric vehicle mandate in latest flip-flop

Valletta · Aug 27, 2024

Harris, who replaced President Biden atop the 2024 Democratic presidential ticket last month, has been accused of flip-flopping on a number of issues since jumping into the race against Trump, including support for Medicare for All, banning fracking and legalizing illegal immigration, in an attempt to appeal to a larger set of voters.
In each case, Harris’ revised position has been announced by her campaign rather than confirmed by the vice president herself.

Harris campaign now says VP ‘does not support’ electric vehicle mandate in latest flip-flop

Harris has previously supported banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.

nypost.com

She needs to be called out on what she has said in the past. She is far to the left and her policies will crush America.

Vambram · Aug 27, 2024

I wonder how many more times she will flip flop on policy issues?

chevyontheriver · Aug 27, 2024

Vambram said:
I wonder how many more times she will flip flop on policy issues?

At least one whopping big one the day after the election if she wins.

FreeinChrist · Aug 27, 2024

Valletta said:
Harris, who replaced President Biden atop the 2024 Democratic presidential ticket last month, has been accused of flip-flopping on a number of issues since jumping into the race against Trump, including support for Medicare for All, banning fracking and legalizing illegal immigration, in an attempt to appeal to a larger set of voters.
In each case, Harris’ revised position has been announced by her campaign rather than confirmed by the vice president herself.

Harris campaign now says VP ‘does not support’ electric vehicle mandate in latest flip-flop

Harris has previously supported banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.

nypost.com

She needs to be called out on what she has said in the past. She is far to the left and her policies will crush America.

When did the Biden administration have an electric vehicle mandate?
When was it her specific policy regarding electric vehicles rather than Biden's?

Ana the Ist · Aug 27, 2024

Valletta said:
Harris, who replaced President Biden atop the 2024 Democratic presidential ticket last month, has been accused of flip-flopping on a number of issues since jumping into the race against Trump, including support for Medicare for All, banning fracking and legalizing illegal immigration, in an attempt to appeal to a larger set of voters.
In each case, Harris’ revised position has been announced by her campaign rather than confirmed by the vice president herself.

Harris campaign now says VP ‘does not support’ electric vehicle mandate in latest flip-flop

Harris has previously supported banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.

nypost.com

She needs to be called out on what she has said in the past. She is far to the left and her policies will crush America.

This is not a presidential campaign. It's an ad campaign. The product is an imaginary future that's better than today because you get to fill in the blanks.

This isn't a real candidate....or a real campaign. It's a test on voter stupidity. Are you willing to buy a product that tells you what it actually does? Or would you prefer the mystery box? That mystery box is exciting....it could be anything you imagine!

wing2000 · Aug 27, 2024

FreeinChrist said:
When did the Biden administration have an electric vehicle mandate?

There is no EV mandate.

Ana the Ist · Aug 27, 2024

FreeinChrist said:
When did the Biden administration have an electric vehicle mandate?
When was it her specific policy regarding electric vehicles rather than Biden's?

Seriously?

This was a huge issue for several years.

There were all sorts of political hearings on it, they tried to get people hyped about EVs, they invited industry leaders (except Musk) and sort of learned from experts that they are extremely dumb and it's virtually impossible.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/joe-biden-electric-vehicle-mandate-gas-powered-cars-2032-epa-c2a72414

Essentially, forced carbon emissions rules will drive a lower and lower amount of gas vehicles to be sold. The end goal being all EV in some point in the 30s.

The main problems they ran into, almost immediately...

1. EVs generally stink as vehicles. They have shorter range, lots of failures, battery charging issues, high replacement costs, etc. Gas vehicles are simply still a far better product for the vast majority.

2. We don't have the power. That's the long and short of it. We don't have enough electricity. I watched one expert testify about how it is literally impossible to do. He was asked questions about trucks....how difficult it would be to make them EV and he basically said that they would weigh 3 times more due to batteries and not be able to carry the same amount of goods/products. Nonetheless, he was aware of someone trying to build a charging station for EV trucks outside some major city, which requires approval from the city. When the city asked what the draw was (the draw on electricity) he gave a response that caused laughter. They thought he was joking. It was higher than the entire city. Approval denied.

So pie in the sky dreams of EVs simply aren't happening. They aren't going to happen. Not in the next 20 years at least.

Ana the Ist · Aug 27, 2024

wing2000 said:
There is no EV mandate.

Yeah sure...

No EV mandate.
Harris wasn't the border czar.
The border crisis is Trump's fault.
The economy is going great despite high prices, low wages.
Crime is actually down, ignore the mass looting and store closings.
Men can be women and who knows what that even means.
You can fight racism with racism.

As long as you stay fully detached from reality and pretend along with the party lies....who cares what is happening or happened?

AlexB23 · Aug 27, 2024

wing2000 said:
There is no EV mandate.

Yep, you are correct. There is a rule that only applies to government-owned (federal) vehicles, and not vehicles of every day citizens. For a time, I thought there was an EV mandate for the whole country as well, but there is not.

Info:

Office of the Federal Chief Sustainability Officer

The Office of Federal Sustainability coordinates policy to promote energy and environmental sustainability across Federal Government operations.

www.sustainability.gov

Pommer · Aug 27, 2024

AlexB23 said:
Yep, you are correct. There is a rule that only applies to government-owned (federal) vehicles, and not vehicles of every day citizens. For a time, I thought there was an EV mandate for the whole country as well, but there is not.

Info:

Office of the Federal Chief Sustainability Officer

The Office of Federal Sustainability coordinates policy to promote energy and environmental sustainability across Federal Government operations.

www.sustainability.gov

If CERN would quit dragging their feet (waiting on some modicum of global political stability!?), and just figure out gravity, yeah, that’d be swell.

AlexB23 · Aug 27, 2024

Pommer said:
If CERN would quit dragging their feet (waiting on some modicum of global political stability!?), and just figure out gravity, yeah, that’d be swell.

Haha, maybe have antigrav cars in the future, but antigrav cars would be conCERNing (pun intended), if gravity cars collided, cos some people in Wisconsin barely know how to drive in a straight line.

Pommer · Aug 27, 2024

AlexB23 said:
Haha, maybe have antigrav cars in the future, but antigrav cars would be conCERNing (pun intended), if gravity cars collided, cos some people in Wisconsin barely know how to drive in a straight line.

That’s why the big push for autonomous automobiles to guide people into handing their transportation needs to machines that simply do the work without humans having to be bothered about what route to take, or traffic patterns, of their towns at specific times of the day.

Musk will provide the “network” that’ll be needed to keep every flying-car in touch with every other flying-car and avoid dangerous situations.
(also) on the plus side, the “shortage-economy” we’ve been locked into since the Industrial Revolution, would vanish.
Think about how “far we’ve come” technologically by harnessing (while still not completely understanding) electricity.
Beginning to comprehend another one of the four fundamental “forces” could be useful to us is, where they’re at, like Volta and the frogs-legs…it’s early on but totally worth the effort.

Ana the Ist · Aug 27, 2024

AlexB23 said:
Yep, you are correct. There is a rule that only applies to government-owned (federal) vehicles, and not vehicles of every day citizens. For a time, I thought there was an EV mandate for the whole country as well, but there is not.

Info:

Office of the Federal Chief Sustainability Officer

The Office of Federal Sustainability coordinates policy to promote energy and environmental sustainability across Federal Government operations.

www.sustainability.gov

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/03/20/climate/epa-biden-electric-cars

FreeinChrist · Aug 28, 2024

wing2000 said:
There is no EV mandate.

Yeah. It is a Republican claim. There was a push to have electric vehicles and some states voted to phase out gas powered vehicles by 2038 but no mandate to make all vehicles electric nationwide.

Ana the Ist · Aug 28, 2024

FreeinChrist said:
Yeah. It is a Republican claim. There was a push to have electric vehicles and some states voted to phase out gas powered vehicles by 2038 but no mandate to make all vehicles electric nationwide.

If you want to get technical sure...there was no mandate, just increasing EPA standards that would phase out gas cars over the years. This was dropped when they finally realized it wasn't working....the technology simply is not there.

Btw....there's also no "book banning" the republicans were engaged in nor any "don't say gay" bill either....so calling this a mandate certainly isn't a stretch.

Yttrium · Aug 28, 2024

Valletta said:
Harris, who replaced President Biden atop the 2024 Democratic presidential ticket last month, has been accused of flip-flopping on a number of issues since jumping into the race against Trump, including support for Medicare for All, banning fracking and legalizing illegal immigration, in an attempt to appeal to a larger set of voters.

...

Works for me.

You're complaining that she's becoming a little less liberal?

Yeshua HaDerekh · Aug 28, 2024

Yttrium said:
...

Works for me.

You're complaining that she's becoming a little less liberal?

No we are saying she is hiding it...changing what she has supported and said in the past to appear more moderate. A ruse. Lies to help her get elected.

Valletta · Aug 28, 2024

FreeinChrist said:
When did the Biden administration have an electric vehicle mandate?
When was it her specific policy regarding electric vehicles rather than Biden's?

Here are Kamala's own words:

"Sales are up, driven by consumer demand. The auto industry is clearly moving toward electric.
We need to make the shift faster and make sure it is driven by the United States.
That means manufacturing millions of electric cars, trucks, and buses right here in our country. That means outfitting thousands of EV — elective vehicle — repair garages, just like this one. And it means installing a national network of EV chargers.
When we ask people what is the biggest barrier for them to buy an electric car, the answer is almost always: figuring out where and how to charge it.
People who live in apartments, for example, might not have a private driveway where they can install a plug. You heard the Secretary talk about that.
Well, when we install public chargers, in rural, urban, and suburban neighborhoods, we make it easier for people to go electric.
It’s that simple. It’s about being clear about what we need to get done and then to do it."

Remarks by Vice President Harris on Electric Vehicle Investments | The White House

Brandywine Maintenance FacilityBrandywine, Maryland THE VICE PRESIDENT: Thank you, Secretary Granholm, for all of your years of incredible

www.whitehouse.gov

If you review the following articles I think you will find she has been part of the effort:

Kamala Harris touts EV transition loans in Detroit - Bridge Michigan

The federal government is offering up to $100 million to ease the transition to EV parts manufacturing for Michigan suppliers.

www.bridgemi.com

Kamala and Joe, We’re Ready to Install EV Charging Stations

Coalition stands ready to realize administration's EV charging infrastructure goals.

www.nrdc.org

The following article was is from May of this year:

VP Kamala Harris touts domestic EV initiatives in Detroit - WDET 101.9 FM

The Vice President visited the Wright Museum on her “Economic Opportunity Tour” to discuss U.S. autoworkers, building Black wealth and more.

wdet.org

It's disturbing when politicians change their perceived positions in order to get elected.

wing2000 · Aug 28, 2024

Valletta said:
Here are Kamala's own words:

"Sales are up, driven by consumer demand. The auto industry is clearly moving toward electric.
We need to make the shift faster and make sure it is driven by the United States.
That means manufacturing millions of electric cars, trucks, and buses right here in our country. That means outfitting thousands of EV — elective vehicle — repair garages, just like this one. And it means installing a national network of EV chargers.
When we ask people what is the biggest barrier for them to buy an electric car, the answer is almost always: figuring out where and how to charge it.
People who live in apartments, for example, might not have a private driveway where they can install a plug. You heard the Secretary talk about that.
Well, when we install public chargers, in rural, urban, and suburban neighborhoods, we make it easier for people to go electric.
It’s that simple. It’s about being clear about what we need to get done and then to do it."

Remarks by Vice President Harris on Electric Vehicle Investments | The White House

Brandywine Maintenance FacilityBrandywine, Maryland THE VICE PRESIDENT: Thank you, Secretary Granholm, for all of your years of incredible

www.whitehouse.gov

If you review the following articles I think you will find she has been part of the effort:

Kamala Harris touts EV transition loans in Detroit - Bridge Michigan

The federal government is offering up to $100 million to ease the transition to EV parts manufacturing for Michigan suppliers.

www.bridgemi.com

Kamala and Joe, We’re Ready to Install EV Charging Stations

Coalition stands ready to realize administration's EV charging infrastructure goals.

www.nrdc.org

The following article was is from May of this year:

VP Kamala Harris touts domestic EV initiatives in Detroit - WDET 101.9 FM

The Vice President visited the Wright Museum on her “Economic Opportunity Tour” to discuss U.S. autoworkers, building Black wealth and more.

wdet.org

It's disturbing when politicians change their perceived positions in order to get elected.

....again, there was no mandate. The thread title is false.

chevyontheriver · Aug 28, 2024

wing2000 said:
....again, there was no mandate. The thread title is false.

And while we're at it, there never was a Covid vaccination mandate either.

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