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Silencing Jordan Peterson... Canada takes action.

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I'm still struggling to see the problem with the idea that there should be ethical standards for people in professions where there is a massive power gradient with vulnerable people. Sure, you don't want the standards for who can be an [insert profession here] to be arbitrary or unduly restrictive, but you do need some standards, otherwise you end up with cowboys doing immense harm.

I agree professional organizations have the right to establish ethics and practice standards. However, they do it within certain boundaries. I don't know the nuances of Canadian law, where they have drawn those boundaries. But, in my U.S. state, the licensing body may sanction providers related to their ethics and actions related to their practice with clients. They have no authority over a provider's private life. They do not sanction providers for things said as private individuals, such as social media posts, texts, tweets, speeches, workshops given, etc. -- short of privacy violations of course. Providers are still people and have rights to hold beliefs - even odd ball beliefs -, political inclinations, personal values, etc. and to talk about them in non-clinical venues just as my plumber might.

I get it that Mr. Peterson's brusque manner and opinions rub many folks the wrong way, me included often. But, my question remains were these things said in a practice environment to a client population or as a private individual just as any other person might have a right to hold an opinion and express it? Were they said in an arena where this organization has legitimate oversight? Therapists are obligated to operate within their scope of practice. It seems to me that oversight organizations also have their own scope of practice of what they may oversee and what they don't.

Clients get to vote with their feet. If one thinks her or his therapist is unprofessional, profane, a heathen, a religious zealot, bigoted, homophobic, too liberal, too conservative, too old, too young, too bald, wrong gender, etc., they get a new therapist. It happens every day. Mr. Peterson is high profile enough that I imagine those who pay him for services are attracted to his large persona and those who are repelled by it would not visit his office in the first place or stay long if they did.
 
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The issue is that the powers to decide who gets to be a member of that profession (based on ethical standards) are being delegated to a non-government entity, that's not constrained by the same principles as the government, and could have a very subjective view of "ethics"
I still don't really see that as an issue. If there's a particular issue with a particular code of ethics, then by all means that should be open to comment and critique; but the principle that there should be such a code really seems to me to be downright necessary.

I take @seeking.IAM's point above, but I also disagree with it. What we say publicly impacts on professional relationships, especially when you have a profile like Jordan Peterson's, and it's probably a good thing that a code of ethics can cover it.
Had a well-known progressive Canadian psychologist said "white evangelicals are arrogant" or "the pro-life position is a delusion" or "Ted Cruz is a prig", would that have drawn a threat of punitive action from that particular panel?
I don't know, but if it did draw such a threat, I would take no more issue with that, than I do with this situation.
 
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The man was/is speaking as a commentator and lecturer and a movement seems to fear his insight...
Have you heard the guy speak over the last couple of years?
so he is personally discredited much in the same way we so often see on forums and media. Attack credibility
This is just a personal opinion, but...he has no credibility.
 
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The issue is that the powers to decide who gets to be a member of that profession (based on ethical standards) are being delegated to a non-government entity, that's not constrained by the same principles as the government, and could have a very subjective view of "ethics"


Like my previous example:

If in the state of Florida, Ron DeSantis and their legislature delegated the responsibility of deciding "who gets to call themselves an OBGYN and practice the trade" to this organization:

...and let them apply whatever ethical standards they liked as requirements for a certification, and made said certification a requirement to apply for a state license to practice, that'd be a big issue, right?

People would quickly call that out for what it was...a government body lobbing a bias (they wouldn't normally be allowed to apply directly) over the guardrail to an organization that doesn't have to stay in the same said guardrails they do, as a means of adding a phony layer of separation as a way to say "well, it's not us making doctors espouse pro-life positions, I don't know what you're talking about... it's okay to have standards right??"

Nobody on the left would tolerate that...and rightfully so. The demand would be "hey, you either get AAPLOG to change their ethics code to match what the government's limitations are, or you give that certification authority to another more neutral organization"


It's fine for industries to have standards, but the standards have to be applied equally, and not with the aims of "we want to make sure this field is comprised of only people who agree with us on political/social issues...or if they disagree, they have keep it to themselves and not bluntly express it like the people on our side of the fence are afforded the luxury of doing"

Had a well-known progressive Canadian psychologist said "white evangelicals are arrogant" or "the pro-life position is a delusion" or "Ted Cruz is a prig", would that have drawn a threat of punitive action from that particular panel?
Professional organisations like this have elections, where members of the organisation vote for other members to act as the governing body of the organisation. The governing body, acting on behalf of the members, sets the rules that apply to the members.

He broke the rules and was just told to do a training course. He isn't being imprisioned, or even being forced to quit or kicked out.

This is a storm in a teacup being stirred up because he likes the attention.
 
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What's that? You can't just say whatever you want and expect it to have zero impact on your professional standing? Well I am shocked. "Wokeness" run amok, as usual!

For real, though, the whole Jordan Peterson phenomenon is absolutely bizarre. Dude gets famous for telling a bunch of aimless 20-somethings to clean their rooms and stand up straight and there are people around here who really think that he's some kind of political prophet or whatever? I would think it were a joke if I didn't already know better.
 
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Professional organisations like this have elections, where members of the organisation vote for other members to act as the governing body of the organisation. The governing body, acting on behalf of the members, sets the rules that apply to the members.

He broke the rules and was just told to do a training course. He isn't being imprisioned, or even being forced to quit or kicked out.

This is a storm in a teacup being stirred up because he likes the attention.
Actually, from their website, it sounds like many of the positions on this particular panel are ones that are appointed, not elected.

More details here:

The Council of the College of Psychologists of Ontario is the governing body of the college. The Council sets policies and provides leadership and direction to the profession. There are 18 Council member positions: eight professional members elected by the profession from across the province, one being a non-voting member; three appointed academic members; and, a maximum of eight members appointed by the provincial government. The Council meets four times a year and meetings are open to the public.


So of the voting members of the panel, only 7 of the 18 are elected, the rest are appointed... and 8 are appointed by the provincial government, directly
(meaning, the appointed members can always outvote the elected members)
 
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He broke the rules and was just told to do a training course
A social media training course only. Comply to the new agenda.
Social media itself seems to be promoting the idea it is a safe haven for endangered species, much in the same way wildlife preserves are set up. This of course means that those that disrupt the sensitivities of the inhabitants on said media will be vilified and possibly punished for disturbing their self entitlement, delusions, or precarious identities in their various cyber ecosystems. The internet has gone from open to nothing more than private clubs and consumerism, like the world has always done.. including Christianity.

Whether it is secular or religious, once people set up walls around themselves, everyone outside becomes an enemy. Highly destructive to civilization.
 
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