Trump and Kennedy want us to have healthy food and children.

ImaginaryFiction · Aug 26, 2024

This needs to be shared by everyone everywhere we can so as many people see it as possible since the MSM seems to be largely ignoring this.

Regardless of your political affiliation we should be able to stand behind this. They want Americans to have food that isn't full of chemicals and overly processed, they want healthy food for our children so they can be healthy as well. This made me feel very good and gave me a hope.

No one should be able to argue us having healthy food free of chemicals and having healthy children is incredibly important. And I am not seeing the democrats talking about these things really ever at all.

So please share it. Democrats on the fence would be swayed by this and everyone should be able to support this and support people who actually want Americans to have things like food that's actually not bad for you.

Vambram · Aug 26, 2024

iluvatar5150 said:
This is a joke.

This is NOT a joke and it is sad to me that you feel like it is.

Fantine · Aug 26, 2024

ImaginaryFiction said:
This needs to be shared by everyone everywhere we can so as many people see it as possible since the MSM seems to be largely ignoring this.

Regardless of your political affiliation we should be able to stand behind this. They want Americans to have food that isn't full of chemicals and overly processed, they want healthy food for our children so they can be healthy as well. This made me feel very good and gave me a hope.

In Project 2025 they will abolish or cripple regulatory agencies like the FDA. The Trump.Supreme Court has already stricken the first blow.

Republicans have repeatedly voted against bills to help older cities replace lead pipes poisoning the water.

Maybe MSM ignores politicians speaking with forked tongues.

iluvatar5150 · Aug 26, 2024

Vambram said:
This is NOT a joke and it is sad to me that you feel like it is.

Public/children's health is not a joke. What's a joke is the sentiment in the OP - that the Right suddenly cares about public health. The fact that RFK Jr may be their figurehead on this subject is reason enough to not take them seriously. Virtually every position they've taken over the last 35 years has communicated that this is not a priority for them.

Desk trauma · Aug 26, 2024

But will they save us from Dihydrogen monoxide? Thousands die from inhaling it!

essentialsaltes · Aug 26, 2024

Maybe Trump can get his party in line then.

14 GOP-led states have turned down federal money to feed low-income kids in the summer

probinson · Aug 26, 2024

Fantine said:
In Project 2025 they will abolish or cripple regulatory agencies like the FDA.

Good.

https://www.science.org/content/article/hidden-conflicts-pharma-payments-fda-advisers-after-drug-approvals-spark-ethical

How FDA Failures Contributed to the Opioid Crisis

Pharma has long marketed opioids in ways that contribute to opioid use disorder and deaths by overdose. Regulatory mistakes in approving and labeling new analgesics by the FDA didn’t make us safer.

journalofethics.ama-assn.org

An FDA official who led the approval of OxyContin got a $400,000 gig at Purdue Pharma a year later, a new book reveals

The FDA approved OxyContin in 1995 believing it would result in "less abuse potential." In 2001, the regulator said the drug has high abuse potential.

www.businessinsider.com

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/09/28/495694559/a-look-at-how-the-revolving-door-spins-from-fda-to-industry

The FDA is just one of many "public health" agencies badly in need of reform.

Goonie · Aug 26, 2024

probinson said:
Good.

https://www.science.org/content/article/hidden-conflicts-pharma-payments-fda-advisers-after-drug-approvals-spark-ethical

How FDA Failures Contributed to the Opioid Crisis

Pharma has long marketed opioids in ways that contribute to opioid use disorder and deaths by overdose. Regulatory mistakes in approving and labeling new analgesics by the FDA didn’t make us safer.

journalofethics.ama-assn.org

An FDA official who led the approval of OxyContin got a $400,000 gig at Purdue Pharma a year later, a new book reveals

The FDA approved OxyContin in 1995 believing it would result in "less abuse potential." In 2001, the regulator said the drug has high abuse potential.

www.businessinsider.com

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/09/28/495694559/a-look-at-how-the-revolving-door-spins-from-fda-to-industry

The FDA is just one of many "public health" agencies badly in need of reform.

So it is good abolishing regulation of toxins in food?? Abolish is not reform, it is a call to poison you, your children and everyone you know.

Psychopathic.

probinson · Aug 26, 2024

Goonie said:
So it is good abolishing regulation of toxins in food??

I see you're under the delusion that the FDA exists to protect your food. You might want to read this:

Many consumers would be surprised to learn this anemic, slow response is typical for an agency that oversees nearly 80 percent of the American food supply, but slow is what insiders in Washington have come to expect from FDA, regardless of administration. A monthslong POLITICO investigation found that regulating food is simply not a high priority at the agency, where drugs and other medical products dominate, both in budget and bandwidth – a dynamic that’s only been exacerbated during the pandemic. Over the years, the food side of FDA has been so ignored and grown so dysfunctional that even former FDA commissioners readily acknowledged problems in interviews.

How the FDA’s food division fails to regulate health and safety hazards

A POLITICO investigation based on more than 50 interviews finds the FDA is failing to meet American consumers expectations on food safety and nutrition.

www.politico.com

rturner76 · Aug 26, 2024

ImaginaryFiction said:
This needs to be shared by everyone everywhere we can so as many people see it as possible since the MSM seems to be largely ignoring this.

Regardless of your political affiliation we should be able to stand behind this. They want Americans to have food that isn't full of chemicals and overly processed, they want healthy food for our children so they can be healthy as well. This made me feel very good and gave me a hope.

No one should be able to argue us having healthy food free of chemicals and having healthy children is incredibly important. And I am not seeing the democrats talking about these things really ever at all.

So please share it. Democrats on the fence would be swayed by this and everyone should be able to support this and support people who actually want Americans to have things like food that's actually not bad for you.

It's a very good platform however, Trump is the one for deregulating so these big agra businesses have a free hand to change the DNA of our food so our bodies can't even absorb nutrients from them. He wants to deregulate what needs to be regulated so he's really talking out of both sides of his mouth.

In terms of the video, I'm all for it. I would hope that he is sincere.

Goonie · Aug 26, 2024

probinson said:
I see you're under the delusion that the FDA exists to protect your food. You might want to read this:

Many consumers would be surprised to learn this anemic, slow response is typical for an agency that oversees nearly 80 percent of the American food supply, but slow is what insiders in Washington have come to expect from FDA, regardless of administration. A monthslong POLITICO investigation found that regulating food is simply not a high priority at the agency, where drugs and other medical products dominate, both in budget and bandwidth – a dynamic that’s only been exacerbated during the pandemic. Over the years, the food side of FDA has been so ignored and grown so dysfunctional that even former FDA commissioners readily acknowledged problems in interviews.

How the FDA’s food division fails to regulate health and safety hazards

A POLITICO investigation based on more than 50 interviews finds the FDA is failing to meet American consumers expectations on food safety and nutrition.

www.politico.com

It is a federal agency, I actually expect it to set the bare minimum standards, it should be the states to legislate to exceed the bare minimum.

But the Trump platform is about curtailing this bare minimum.

iluvatar5150 · Aug 26, 2024

probinson said:
Good.

https://www.science.org/content/article/hidden-conflicts-pharma-payments-fda-advisers-after-drug-approvals-spark-ethical

How FDA Failures Contributed to the Opioid Crisis

Pharma has long marketed opioids in ways that contribute to opioid use disorder and deaths by overdose. Regulatory mistakes in approving and labeling new analgesics by the FDA didn’t make us safer.

journalofethics.ama-assn.org

An FDA official who led the approval of OxyContin got a $400,000 gig at Purdue Pharma a year later, a new book reveals

The FDA approved OxyContin in 1995 believing it would result in "less abuse potential." In 2001, the regulator said the drug has high abuse potential.

www.businessinsider.com

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/09/28/495694559/a-look-at-how-the-revolving-door-spins-from-fda-to-industry

The FDA is just one of many "public health" agencies badly in need of reform.

Why should we trust that Trump et al are the ones to reform such an agency?

probinson · Aug 26, 2024

Goonie said:
It is a federal agency,

It is an ineffective, wholly captured agency.

Light says the problem with drug regulators is widespread. Even the FDA—the most well funded regulator—reports 65% of its funding for the evaluation of drugs comes from industry user fees (table 1),9 and over the years user fees have expanded to generic drugs, biosimilars, and medical devices.

“It’s the opposite of having a trustworthy organisation independently and rigorously assessing medicines. They’re not rigorous, they’re not independent, they are selective, and they withhold data. Doctors and patients must appreciate how deeply and extensively drug regulators can’t be trusted so long as they are captured by industry funding.”

From FDA to MHRA: are drug regulators for hire?

Patients and doctors expect drug regulators to provide an unbiased, rigorous assessment of investigational medicines before they hit the market. But do they have sufficient independence from the companies they are meant to regulate? Maryanne Demasi investigates Over the past decades, regulatory...

www.bmj.com

probinson · Aug 26, 2024

iluvatar5150 said:
Why should we trust that Trump et al are the ones to reform such an agency?

Has Harris suggested that regulatory reform will be one of her priorities?

iluvatar5150 · Aug 26, 2024

probinson said:
Has Harris suggested that regulatory reform will be one of her priorities?

Not to my knowledge, but Trump's big move at regulatory "reform" was requiring two regs be removed for every new reg that was created. That's not reform. It's just laziness.

So again, why should we trust that Trump et al are the ones to reform such an agency?

probinson · Aug 26, 2024

iluvatar5150 said:
Not to my knowledge,

Probably because it's not a priority for the Democrats.

iluvatar5150 said:
So again, why should we trust that Trump et al are the ones to reform such an agency?

Well for starters, they're the only ones even talking about it. The first step to solving a problem is acknowledging that there is a problem to begin with. So they're already ahead of the Harris campaign in that regard.

I think it's safe to say that if Harris is elected, regulatory reform just isn't on her agenda. So nothing will happen.

This is a bigger issue than I think many people realize. The regulatory capture of the FDA has been on full display all throughout the pandemic. It's probably why trust in public health agencies is at record lows. While I don't know that Trump and RFK are the best people to undertake such reform, they are the only ones even acknowledging the problem exists.

iluvatar5150 · Aug 26, 2024

probinson said:
Probably because it's not a priority for the Democrats.

Now that I think about, measures to increase housing construction are going to require a ton of regulatory reform. So, it is a priority for them, at least in some areas.

Vambram · Aug 26, 2024

iluvatar5150 said:
Public/children's health is not a joke. What's a joke is the sentiment in the OP - that the Right suddenly cares about public health. The fact that RFK Jr may be their figurehead on this subject is reason enough to not take them seriously. Virtually every position they've taken over the last 35 years has communicated that this is not a priority for them.

Apparently, what you have not figured out is that conservatives have always cared about food safety. You do know that the so-called "right" and constitutional conservatives do not always agree with each other? ... correct? I think what y'all have remembered as the "right" for so many decades are better classified as "neocons." in my opinion.

iluvatar5150 · Aug 26, 2024

Vambram said:
Apparently, what you have not figured out is that conservatives have always cared about food safety.

That hasn't been my experience at all. No, they haven't demanded food be less safe, but neither have they (in my experience) been terribly concerned with this sort of oversight. Generally, they've been anti-regulation and anti-oversight.

You do know that the so-called "right" and constitutional conservatives do not always agree with each other? ... correct? I think what y'all have remembered as the "right" for so many decades are better classified as "neocons." in my opinion.

Neoconservatism mostly deals with foreign policy. It's mainly the libertarian wing that concerns itself with regulatory burden.

loveofourlord · Aug 26, 2024

probinson said:
Good.

https://www.science.org/content/article/hidden-conflicts-pharma-payments-fda-advisers-after-drug-approvals-spark-ethical

How FDA Failures Contributed to the Opioid Crisis

Pharma has long marketed opioids in ways that contribute to opioid use disorder and deaths by overdose. Regulatory mistakes in approving and labeling new analgesics by the FDA didn’t make us safer.

journalofethics.ama-assn.org

An FDA official who led the approval of OxyContin got a $400,000 gig at Purdue Pharma a year later, a new book reveals

The FDA approved OxyContin in 1995 believing it would result in "less abuse potential." In 2001, the regulator said the drug has high abuse potential.

www.businessinsider.com

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/09/28/495694559/a-look-at-how-the-revolving-door-spins-from-fda-to-industry

The FDA is just one of many "public health" agencies badly in need of reform.

so NO regulation is better then some?

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