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Trump’s Muslim ban

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I have inquired about this before on this forum, and two users quickly fled. Sadly I can’t call them out (forum rules), but I feel I need to ask here.

Is it moral for the USA to ban countries from immigrating because the underlying motive is to keep Muslim numbers very low in order, to be quite Frank, make their political opinions meaningless.

I personally believe it is. Immigration is a privilege not a right.
 

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Is it moral for the USA to ban countries from immigrating because the underlying motive is to keep Muslim numbers very low in order,
Can you cite a source from Trump or the Republicans showing this as an actual fact please?
 
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He didn’t state it openly. He said it was for national security purposes:
Then your OP is based on an unsubstantiated assumption.

Negates the whole thread IMHO
 
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I personally believe it is. Immigration is a privilege not a right.

Of course it's perfectly moral, one of the main purposes of a good governance is protection and safety of the populous.

When there's a group of people who are unabashedly racist in the main, who's own history and holy books call for and enact genocidal tendencies, who believes it's their job to rule every single inch of this earth and to subjugate all the people's of the world under the banner of their faith - then it's not only moral and just to deny them entry into your country, it's actually the God given responsibility of government to deny entry for the protection and safety of the citizens.

We often talk in America, any country really, about the responsibility of the citizens but we never talk about government fulfilling their moral obligations to the citizens they gave an oath to before God.

This current administration in America has violated their sworn oath by not securing the border, and not caring for the citizens of the land, for their well-being. I think we can look at practically every European country and even the UK and say the exact same thing, before God rulers have a responsibility to their people and they have sinned against their own people in the sight of God.

I hope this helps. There was a letter written when the US split off from the British that described the moral justification for doing so, and it was far more than a few taxes, but the main thrust was that government has a responsibility to the people and at one point when governments completely shirk their responsibility the people are under no moral obligation to be their subjects any longer.

The reason I added that was to show that yes, as a moral issue I believe that we need to talk more about the governments responsibility to us, because I think they've (governments the world over) already sold us (the citizens) down the river, and a great many will not survive what they've already done, even if they repented today.
 
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I have inquired about this before on this forum, and two users quickly fled. Sadly I can’t call them out (forum rules), but I feel I need to ask here.

Is it moral for the USA to ban countries from immigrating because the underlying motive is to keep Muslim numbers very low in order, to be quite Frank, make their political opinions meaningless.

I personally believe it is. Immigration is a privilege not a right.
The Nation has (or should have) no interest in which God its people decide to worship, (if any).
 
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Is it moral for the USA to ban countries from immigrating because the underlying motive is to keep Muslim numbers very low in order, to be quite Frank, make their political opinions meaningless.

Are you proposing to ban people from certain countries *or* people who are specifically Muslim?
 
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Are you proposing to ban people from certain countries *or* people who are specifically Muslim?

I thought we were speaking of moral rather than legal?

Are we speaking about legalities or about morality?

The two are not the same.
 
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Nope, you don’t know how political language works.
I do know how reality works - if it is unsubstantiated innuendo - it's useless
 
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The Nation has (or should have) no interest in which God its people decide to worship, (if any).
Exactly why our country was founded in the first place, even though the puritans escaping the Church of England were incredibly intolerant of others. Ironic.
 
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Sure, you can practice what’ve religion you want in the country. But that doesn’t mean you can’t restrict immigration.
Restrict immigration based on someone’s religion (if any)? Sounds like discrimination to me.
 
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Restrict immigration based on someone’s religion (if any)? Sounds like discrimination to me.

If Islam was a "religion" they would make perfect neighbors. The fact of the matter is, you can't separate political Islam from the "pray to whatever God you want" portion of Islam.

Christians under the New Covenant believe God himself gave mankind a certain amount of liberty. We either use our liberty in the manner God requires, or we use that same liberty to reap burning coals on our heads.

Islam is a worldview and very political system that stands diametrically opposed to our own. I can see being neighborly with a Muslim majority nation... But you can't have two completely opposing systems operating in the same nation.
 
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Is it moral for the USA to ban countries from immigrating because the underlying motive is to keep Muslim numbers very low

I personally believe it is. Immigration is a privilege not a right.
I doubt it's moral, but more importantly it's unconstitutional.
 
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