Do Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, and Christians worship the same God?

tonychanyt · Aug 19, 2024

The one true God is the creator of all things, visible and invisible (Colossians 1:16).

Do not make an image representing the true God to bow down to it (Exodus 20:4-5).

2 Chronicles 35:

20 After all this, when Josiah had prepared the temple,

Josiah was a good king of Judah. He repaired the temple.

Neco king of Egypt went up to fight at Carchemish on the Euphrates, and Josiah went out to meet him.

Neco was a gentile. By God, he tried to dissuade Josiah from fighting him.

21 But he sent envoys to him, saying, “What have we to do with each other, king of Judah? I am not coming against you this day, but against the house with which I am at war. And God has commanded me to hurry. Cease opposing God, who is with me,

i.e., elohim

lest he destroy you.” 22 Nevertheless, Josiah did not turn away from him, but disguised himself in order to fight with him. He did not listen to the words of Neco from the mouth of God, but came to fight in the plain of Megiddo.

A good king of Judah fought against a gentile king. God was with the gentile king. Josiah died as a result.

I am not even sure that Neco knew the name YWHW. Yet, it seems that the true God was with him.

Later, in Isaiah 45:

1 “This is what the Lord says to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I take hold of to subdue nations before him

The Lord (the true God) called Cyrus his anointed.

4 For the sake of Jacob my servant, of Israel my chosen, I summon you by name and bestow on you a title of honor, though you do not acknowledge me.

Even though Cyrus did not acknowledge the true God.

In the NT, Acts 17:

22 So Paul, standing in the midst of the Areopagus, said: “Men of Athens, I perceive that in every way you are very religious.

but they did not know the LORD personally

23 For as I passed along and observed the objects of your worship, I found also an altar with this inscription: ‘To the unknown god.’ What therefore you worship as unknown, this I proclaim to you.

god is a multifaceted concept.

26 And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place, 27 that they should seek God,

the one true God

and perhaps feel their way toward him and find him. Yet he is actually not far from each one of us.

The Lord God accepted worship from Athenians who didn't know Him exactly. But then, who knows Him exactly?

Acts 17:

30 Although God overlooked the ignorance of earlier times, He now commands all people everywhere to repent.

God is gracious to everyone who repents, even if they don't know Him perfectly. See What about people of other cultures?.

Do Buddhists, Muslims, and Christians worship the same God? Do Christians worship the same God?

Most Christians seem to worship the same God, the creator God, with no idols/images. Buddhists and Christians worship different gods because of their heavy use of idols. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam worship more or less the same God: creator God and no idols. I spent four years working in Saudi Arabia. The longer I stayed there, the more I felt that they were worshiping the God of Abraham. I had joined their worship in their mosques. 1 Tim 2:

4 [God] wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people.

They misunderstand Christ. Notably, only Christians can be born of the Paraclete.

AlexB23 · Aug 19, 2024

tonychanyt said:
The one true God is the creator of all things, visible and invisible (Colossians 1:16).

Do not make an image representing the true God to bow down to it (Exodus 20:4-5).

2 Chronicles 35:

Josiah was a good king of Judah. He repaired the temple.

Neco was a gentile. By God, he tried to dissuade Josiah from fighting him.

i.e., elohim

A good king of Judah fought against a gentile king. God was with the gentile king. Josiah died as a result.

I wonder if Neco knew the name YWHW. Yet, it seems that the true God was with him.

Later, in Isaiah 45:

The Lord (the true God) called Cyrus his anointed.

Even though Cyrus did not acknowledge the true God.

In the NT, Acts 17:

but they did not know the LORD personally

god is a multifaceted concept.

the one true God

The Lord God accepted worship from Athenians who didn't know Him exactly. But then, who knows Him exactly?

Acts 17:

God is gracious to everyone who repents, even if they don't know Him perfectly. See What about people of other cultures?.

Do Buddhists and Christians worship the same God?

Buddhists and Christians worship different gods because of their heavy use of idols.

Do Jews, Muslims, and Christians worship the same God?

Yes, in the sense that they both worship the one true God, the creator God, without idols or images. I spent four years working in Saudi Arabia. The longer I stayed there, the stronger I felt that they worshiped the God of Abraham. I had occasionally joined my friends' worship in their mosques.

But no, in the sense that they do not worship the Son of God. Only Christians can be born of the Paraclete.

Do Christians worship the same God?

Most Christians worship the same God including the Son of God. Some denominations misunderstand Christ.

Bottom line: 1 Tim 2:

Muslims and Jews are missing out, cos they worship God the Father, but the two religions completely ignore His Son. Only Christians have the full Trinity of God, with the saving power of Jesus.

John 14:6 (NIV): "Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

tturt · Aug 19, 2024

Muslims and Christians don't worship the same God.

God does not lie (Num 23:19, Tit 1:2, Heb 6:18) and He won't contradict Himself. God isn't going to tell one group kill everyone who doesn't believe like you do while telling another group, Christians, to love everybody (Matt 22:39).

tonychanyt · Aug 19, 2024

tturt said:
God does not lie

Right. Who said God had lied?

AlexB23 · Aug 19, 2024

tturt said:
Muslims and Christian don't worship the same God.

God does not lie (Num 23:19, Tit 1:2, Heb 6:18) and He won't contradict Himself. God isn't going to tell one group kill everyone who doesn't believe like you do while telling another group, Christians, to love everybody (Matt 22:39).

Agreed. The Muslims probably wrote in their own false teachings, and mixed it in with God's true teachings.

Here is an analogy: If you have pure water, but add a small amount of vinegar, you get an acid. In other words, if you mix in a small amount of lies in the truth, you get an impure doctrine. That is how the Muslims are tricked. By mixing in the right ratio of truth with lies, people get sucked into Islamic religion.

Prayers for the Muslims, that they turn to Jesus.

Spiritual Jew · Aug 20, 2024

tonychanyt said:
The one true God is the creator of all things, visible and invisible (Colossians 1:16).

Do not make an image representing the true God to bow down to it (Exodus 20:4-5).

2 Chronicles 35:

Josiah was a good king of Judah. He repaired the temple.

Neco was a gentile. By God, he tried to dissuade Josiah from fighting him.

i.e., elohim

A good king of Judah fought against a gentile king. God was with the gentile king. Josiah died as a result.

I wonder if Neco knew the name YWHW. Yet, it seems that the true God was with him.

Later, in Isaiah 45:

The Lord (the true God) called Cyrus his anointed.

Even though Cyrus did not acknowledge the true God.

In the NT, Acts 17:

but they did not know the LORD personally

god is a multifaceted concept.

the one true God

The Lord God accepted worship from Athenians who didn't know Him exactly. But then, who knows Him exactly?

Acts 17:

God is gracious to everyone who repents, even if they don't know Him perfectly. See What about people of other cultures?.

Do Buddhists and Christians worship the same God?

Buddhists and Christians worship different gods because of their heavy use of idols.

Do Jews, Muslims, and Christians worship the same God?

Yes, in the sense that they both worship the one true God, the creator God, without idols or images. I spent four years working in Saudi Arabia. The longer I stayed there, the stronger I felt that they worshiped the God of Abraham. I had occasionally joined my friends' worship in their mosques.

But no, in the sense that they do not worship the Son of God. Only Christians can be born of the Paraclete.

Do Christians worship the same God?

Most Christians worship the same God including the Son of God. Some denominations misunderstand Christ.

Bottom line: 1 Tim 2:

The bottom line is when you said in reference to Jews and Muslims: "they do not worship the Son of God. Only Christians can be born of the Parclete" (Holy Spirit) and Jews and Muslims are lost. So, Jews and Muslims who reject Jesus Christ do not really worship the same God as Christians because we believe that Jesus is God and is one with the Father (John 10:30).

John 5:22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

Spiritual Jew · Aug 20, 2024

AlexB23 said:
Muslims and Jews are missing out, cos they worship God the Father, but the two religions completely ignore His Son. Only Christians have the full Trinity of God, with the saving power of Jesus.

John 14:6 (NIV): "Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

But, they don't really worship God the Father or else they would also worship His Son.

John 5:22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

tonychanyt · Aug 20, 2024

Spiritual Jew said:
Jews and Muslims are lost.

Let proposition P1 = All Jews and Muslims are condemned to the Lake of Fire.

True?

Spiritual Jew · Aug 21, 2024

tonychanyt said:
Let proposition P1 = All Jews and Muslims are condemned to the Lake of Fire.

True?

If they reject Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, yes, that is true.

In this day and age it's almost impossible that any of them haven't heard of Jesus, so these verses apply to any of them who have heard of Him and have heard the gospel, but did not accept Him and put their trust in Him:

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

2 Thess 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

tonychanyt · Aug 21, 2024

Spiritual Jew said:
any of them who have heard of Him and have heard the gospel, but did not accept Him and put their trust in Him:

Let proposition Q1 = Anyone who has heard of Jesus and the gospel but refuses to believe before he dies will be sent to the Lake of Fire.

True?

prodromos · Aug 22, 2024

For those last two propositions, only God can judge.

Spiritual Jew · Aug 22, 2024

tonychanyt said:
Let proposition Q1 = Anyone who has heard of Jesus and the gospel but refuses to believe before he dies will be sent to the Lake of Fire.

True?

True. See my post #9 for the reason why. What is your answer to that question?

tonychanyt · Aug 22, 2024

Spiritual Jew said:
True. See my post #9 for the reason why. What is your answer to that question?

See If you believe that anyone who has heard of Jesus and the gospel but refuses to believe before he dies will be sent to the Lake of Fire, and wish to

Spiritual Jew · Aug 22, 2024

tonychanyt said:
See If you believe that anyone who has heard of Jesus and the gospel but refuses to believe before he dies will be sent to the Lake of Fire, and wish to

You don't want to share what you think about this?

tonychanyt · Aug 22, 2024

Spiritual Jew said:
You don't want to share what you think about this?

specifically?

Spiritual Jew · Aug 22, 2024

tonychanyt said:
specifically?

Specifically what? I'm asking if you don't want to share your own answers to your questions? If not, that's fine, but otherwise I'd like to know how you would answer them.

tonychanyt · Aug 22, 2024

Spiritual Jew said:
Specifically what? I'm asking if you don't want to share your own answers to your questions? If not, that's fine, but otherwise I'd like to know how you would answer them.

Ask me a specific question. Be precise. State it as a proposition if you can.

Akita Suggagaki · Aug 23, 2024

Same God different understandings.

Spiritual Jew · Aug 23, 2024

tonychanyt said:
Ask me a specific question. Be precise. State it as a proposition if you can.

Do you believe that any Jew, Muslim or Buddhist who heard of Jesus and heard the gospel and rejected Him and the gospel message and is now dead will have eternal life in the kingdom of God in the new heavens and new earth?

tonychanyt · Aug 23, 2024

Spiritual Jew said:
Do you believe that any Jew, Muslim or Buddhist who heard of Jesus and heard the gospel and rejected Him and the gospel message and is now dead will have eternal life in the kingdom of God in the new heavens and new earth?

Good question.

Some will. It is up to God.

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