Trump Insults Veterans Again

JosephZ · Aug 16, 2024

“Miriam, I watched (Sheldon Adelson, her late husband) sitting so proud in the White House when we gave Miriam the Presidential Medal of Freedom. That’s the highest award you can get as a civilian, it’s the equivalent of the Congressional Medal of Honor, but civilian version. It’s actually much better, because everyone gets the Congressional Medal of Honor – that’s soldiers. They’re either in very bad shape because they’ve been hit so many times by bullets, or they’re dead,” Trump said.

“She gets it and she’s a healthy, beautiful woman, and they’re rated equal,”

childeye 2 · Aug 16, 2024

He doesn't get it. He doesn't understand. His words are always carnal vanity.

JimR-OCDS · Aug 16, 2024

He's not wrong. The medal of honor is awarded to veterans, not their wives.

durangodawood · Aug 16, 2024

What the heck is he even going on about? Its bizarre.

FreeinChrist · Aug 16, 2024

JimR-OCDS said:
He's not wrong. The medal of honor is awarded to veterans, not their wives.

Do you think he is right here?
"It’s actually much better, because everyone gets the Congressional Medal of Honor – that’s soldiers. They’re either in very bad shape because they’ve been hit so many times by bullets, or they’re dead,” Trump said."

Does everyone get the Congressional Medal of Honor - or every soldier?

durangodawood · Aug 16, 2024

durangodawood said:
What the heck is he even going on about? Its bizarre.

I couldnt follow the words, so I tried looking at the hands - which actually were doing more work than the lips. Still not entirely helpful.

JosephZ · Aug 16, 2024

JimR-OCDS said:
He's not wrong. The medal of honor is awarded to veterans, not their wives.

Trump said the Medal of Freedom is "much better" than the Congressional Medal of Honor. That is very wrong.

durangodawood · Aug 16, 2024

JosephZ said:
Trump said the Medal of Freedom is "much better" than the Congressional Medal of Honor. That is very wrong.

So obsessed with status. Which thing is how much better than the other thing. And ratings. And crowd size. And so on.

durangodawood · Aug 16, 2024

If anything awarding the Medal Of Freedom to campaign donors and low level muscle like Jim Jordan and Devin Nunes has seriously devalued it.

Belk · Aug 16, 2024

JosephZ said:
“Miriam, I watched (Sheldon Adelson, her late husband) sitting so proud in the White House when we gave Miriam the Presidential Medal of Freedom. That’s the highest award you can get as a civilian, it’s the equivalent of the Congressional Medal of Honor, but civilian version. It’s actually much better, because everyone gets the Congressional Medal of Honor – that’s soldiers. They’re either in very bad shape because they’ve been hit so many times by bullets, or they’re dead,” Trump said.

“She gets it and she’s a healthy, beautiful woman, and they’re rated equal,”

What he said is odd, but it looks like typical Trump Ramble (TM). Not really seeing it as an insult.

durangodawood · Aug 16, 2024

durangodawood said:
If anything awarding the Medal Of Freedom to campaign donors and low level muscle like Jim Jordan and Devin Nunes has seriously devalued it.

Also the percentage of athletes on the Trump awardee list is absurd.

RocksInMyHead · Aug 16, 2024

Belk said:
What he said is odd, but it looks like typical Trump Ramble (TM). Not really seeing it as an insult.

I don't think it's intended as an insult, but it's thoughtless and disrespectful, and it indicates that he doesn't understand the meaning behind the MoH. Saying that the Presidential Medal of Freedom is "better" because you'll be alive/healthy to enjoy it completely ignores the fact that the MoH is a recognition of sacrifice and heroism - nobody wants to earn the Medal of Honor.

iluvatar5150 · Aug 16, 2024

durangodawood said:
If anything awarding the Medal Of Freedom to campaign donors and low level muscle like Jim Jordan and Devin Nunes has seriously devalued it.

…and Rush Limbaugh.

RocksInMyHead said:
I don't think it's intended as an insult, but it's thoughtless and disrespectful, and it indicates that he doesn't understand the meaning behind the MoH. Saying that the Presidential Medal of Freedom is "better" because you'll be alive/healthy to enjoy it completely ignores the fact that the MoH is a recognition of sacrifice and heroism - nobody wants to earn the Medal of Honor.

I can usually tease out a charitable interpretation of his nonsense, but this… This one has me stumped.

Belk · Aug 16, 2024

RocksInMyHead said:
I don't think it's intended as an insult, but it's thoughtless and disrespectful, and it indicates that he doesn't understand the meaning behind the MoH. Saying that the Presidential Medal of Freedom is "better" because you'll be alive/healthy to enjoy it completely ignores the fact that the MoH is a recognition of sacrifice and heroism

That I can agree with

RocksInMyHead said:
- nobody wants to earn the Medal of Honor.

That I disagree with. Nobody wants to receive it as posthumous award. I would of loved to have earned one if I made it through.

RocksInMyHead · Aug 16, 2024

Belk said:
That I disagree with. Nobody wants to receive it as posthumous award. I would of loved to have earned one if I made it through.

I meant in the sense that no one (at least no one sane) joins the military intending to receive the MoH. And I'd be willing to bet that most, if not all, MoH recipients would gladly give it back if it meant that the circumstances under which they earned it never happened.

RileyG · Aug 16, 2024

What a strange statement. I don’t know what else to say.

JosephZ · Aug 16, 2024

Belk said:
What he said is odd, but it looks like typical Trump Ramble (TM). Not really seeing it as an insult.

It was definitely an insult.

insult:

verb - speak to or treat with disrespect or scornful abuse.

noun - a disrespectful or scornfully abusive remark or action.

To say that a civilian award is better than an award that represents the utmost devotion, courage, and dedication by those who have gone above and beyond the call of duty while serving our country is indeed an insult. There is no equivalent to the Congressional Medal of Honor in the United States, and in normal times, a statement like the one Trump made would be an instant game-ender for a presidential campaign.

Ignatius the Hermit · Aug 16, 2024

FreeinChrist said:
Do you think he is right here?
"It’s actually much better, because everyone gets the Congressional Medal of Honor – that’s soldiers. They’re either in very bad shape because they’ve been hit so many times by bullets, or they’re dead,” Trump said."

Does everyone get the Congressional Medal of Honor - or every soldier?

No, only military personnel that go above and beyond and usually sacrifice their lives saving others while in combat. The Bronze Star is perhaps the most awarded medal for bravery.

JimR-OCDS · Aug 16, 2024

JosephZ said:
Trump said the Medal of Freedom is "much better" than the Congressional Medal of Honor. That is very wrong.

He said it sarcastically, in that the Medal of Freedom award, the person who receives it is in good phycical health where
the Medal of Honor winner is either physically wounded or dead.

Much of what he says is in the line of sarcasm and humor.

RDKirk · Aug 16, 2024

Belk said:
That I disagree with. Nobody wants to receive it as posthumous award. I would of loved to have earned one if I made it through.

Certainly nobody wants to go through the hell it takes to be awarded the MoH. I've spoken to several MoH awardees (never call them "winners") who all would rather not have had to go through that situation, and none of them got through the situation with the "hope" of that award. Something like the Bronze Star, yeah, that's an expectation when one has been in combat, and a Silver Star might become an expectation. I've never spoken to or heard of an MoH awardee who thought for himself that he should be considered for the MoH...that's something that occurs to other people about someone, something that other people fight for on their behalf.

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