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Fact-check: Donald Trump’s RNC speech in Milwaukee was full of falsehoods about immigrants, the economy

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Imagine oil was leaking across the border and people were scooping it up and refining it into stuff that helped the economy - and Donald Trump protested about illegal oil coming into the country!​


That's basically what's happening here.

And I thought Conservative's valued individual liberty, and saw human beings as economic participants able to contribute to the economy? I thought it was meant to be the Left that saw people as a "problem" that needed "more managing?" Are the Conservatives here sure they understand the value of extra human labour in an economy?

Research shows that illegal immigrants increase the size of the U.S. economy, contribute to economic growth, enhance the welfare of natives, contribute more in tax revenue than they collect, reduce American firms' incentives to offshore jobs and import foreign-produced goods, and benefit consumers by reducing the prices of goods and services.[17][18][19][20] Economists estimate that legalization of the illegal immigrant population would increase the immigrants' earnings and consumption considerably, and increase U.S. gross domestic product.[21][22][23][24] Most scientific studies have shown that illegal immigrants commit less crime than natives and legal immigrants.[25][26] Sanctuary cities—which adopt policies designed to avoid prosecuting people solely for being in the country illegally—have no statistically meaningful impact on crime.[27][28] Research suggests that immigration enforcement has no impact on crime rates.[27][29][30]
Oh no! I quoted wikipedia! Readers might have to 'do the needful' and go read the sources themselves! :doh:
 
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Imagine oil was leaking across the border and people were scooping it up and refining it into stuff that helped the economy - and Donald Trump protested about illegal oil coming into the country!​


That's basically what's happening here.

And I thought Conservative's valued individual liberty, and saw human beings as economic participants able to contribute to the economy? I thought it was meant to be the Left that saw people as a "problem" that needed "more managing?" Are the Conservatives here sure they understand the value of extra human labour in an economy?

Research shows that illegal immigrants increase the size of the U.S. economy, contribute to economic growth, enhance the welfare of natives, contribute more in tax revenue than they collect, reduce American firms' incentives to offshore jobs and import foreign-produced goods, and benefit consumers by reducing the prices of goods and services.[17][18][19][20] Economists estimate that legalization of the illegal immigrant population would increase the immigrants' earnings and consumption considerably, and increase U.S. gross domestic product.[21][22][23][24] Most scientific studies have shown that illegal immigrants commit less crime than natives and legal immigrants.[25][26] Sanctuary cities—which adopt policies designed to avoid prosecuting people solely for being in the country illegally—have no statistically meaningful impact on crime.[27][28] Research suggests that immigration enforcement has no impact on crime rates.[27][29][30]
Oh no! I quoted wikipedia! Readers might have to 'do the needful' and go read the sources themselves! :doh:
They’re asylum seekers remember? Asylum seekers dwarf illegal immigrants
 
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Listen.

It just doesn't matter that he lies.


I think Democrats really just need to stop harping in the fact that trump lies all the time; aggregiously and without being held responsible.
And the other side think and believe for the most part Dems lie all the time. So where do we go from here?
The fact is that his supporters LITERALLY don't care about how much he lies, nor that his lies means it just doesnt matter.
That's way, way, way too much hyperbole there! Many supporters of whatever Party KNOW the side their backing aren't always coming forth with clear and straight truth. Many supporters of whatever party look at the overall vision and policies that they feel a candidate or party will take them and vote for that reason!
They don't even have a realistic picture of how much he lies because they've also fallen for his schpiel that liberals just "blindly hate him" for no reason.
<Staff Edit> I've read many Jews can't stand that type of rhetoric for they know that NOBODY should have such labels designated upon any one who has not slaughtered millions of people. It's using cheap hyperbole to score weak points.
I give the USA 100years MAX. When half a voting population is enamored by personality and anger over substance in a leader theres no turning back.
Perhaps you need to go back to the drawing board and start really listening to why a great many like Trump. You're putting down half the population sides with Trump because of his personality. Granted perhaps some. Other are seeing a lot bigger picture of things that you're not considering. Now come on. Be fair.
 
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Trump lies or tells the truth. So he can cause fear, war and craziness, with his supporters . Like he did on January 6th. Also, I remember inflation staring, while he was in office. I'm guessing because of COVID-19. He handled COVID-19 horrible. I wish Biden ran for president in 2016. So, hopefully we would have never had Trump in office. At least Obama had a pandemic problem. All he had to do is use.
 
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Joe Biden and the leaders of the Democratic Party have consistently and constantly told lies to the American public. All politicians are liars. No politicians can be trusted.
All politicians are liars? Which politicians have the courts been recently found guilty of lying? That would be Donald Trump, not Biden. Try to not derail the thread. You can attack democrats in your own thread.
 
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Immigrants are “coming from prisons, they’re coming from jails, they’re coming from mental institutions and insane asylums.”
They do not have mental institutions anymore. They can usually stabilize people on some sort of medicine. So for short term they go into a hospital. Long term they have to break a law then they go to jail where they are treated and given their meds.

As a Christian we should not encourage or discourage people from taking meds. It can be a disaster either way.

Illegal immigrants are just that illegal. They are breaking the law. They do not have a social security number so they can not work. I know a manager of a restaurant that went to jail for a year for hiring illegal immigrants. They were sweet innocent girls that would not hurt a fly. But they did not have the documents they needed to work in this country.
 
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They do not have mental institutions anymore. They can usually stabilize people on some sort of medicine. So for short term they go into a hospital. Long term they have to break a law then they go to jail where they are treated and given their meds.

As a Christian we should not encourage or discourage people from taking meds. It can be a disaster either way.

Illegal immigrants are just that illegal. They are breaking the law. They do not have a social security number so they can not work. I know a manager of a restaurant that went to jail for a year for hiring illegal immigrants. They were sweet innocent girls that would not hurt a fly. But they did not have the documents they needed to work in this country.
Plenty of them work without Social Security numbers.
 
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Immigrants are “coming from prisons, they’re coming from jails, they’re coming from mental institutions and insane asylums.”

False.

“Caracas, Venezuela, really dangerous place, but not anymore. Because in Venezuela, crime is down 72%”


False.

Later in the RNC speech, Trump said, “Under my presidency, we had the most secure border.”

That’s Mostly False. Illegal immigration during Trump’s administration was higher than it was during both of former President Barack Obama’s terms.

During my presidency, we had “the best economy in the history of our country, in the history of the world … We had no inflation, soaring incomes.”

False.


Trump just keeps saying things which are false. It is almost like he can't help himself.
People expect him to lie and don't mind at all.
 
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That’s Mostly False. Illegal immigration during Trump’s administration was higher than it was during both of former President Barack Obama’s terms.
"Figure 3. There is a lot of variation from month to month, but the foreign-born population grew much more slowly during Trump's presidency than during Obama's or Biden's. (January 2010 to February 2022, in millions)"

Apples and oranges. In fact, the number of illegal immigrants has been dropping for decades:
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The largest drops were under Bush and Obama.
 
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