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Will there be mourning or death on the new earth?

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Isaiah 65:

17 For behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind. 18 But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create; for I will create Jerusalem to be a joy and its people to be a delight. 19 I will rejoice in Jerusalem and take delight in My people. The sounds of weeping and crying will no longer be heard in her.
No more crying but people still die?

20 No longer will a nursing infant live but a few days, or an old man fail to live out his years. For the youth will die at a hundred years, and he who fails to reach a hundred will be considered accursed.
This was apocalyptic language. People will no longer physically die; there will be no more weeping.

Centuries later, John updated Isaiah's picture with more details in Re 21:

1 I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. 2 I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying: “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man, and He will dwell with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God.
Believers will dwell on the new earth with God.

4 ‘He will wipe away every tear from their eyes,’
If someone cries, God will comfort them. No one will die on the new earth.

and there will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the former things have passed away.”
Isaiah suggested no more mourning but people may still die on the new earth, while John suggested people may mourn but no one will die. Both used symbolic language. I think both indicate no more mourning or death.
 

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Isaiah 65:


No more crying but people still die?


This was apocalyptic language. People will no longer physically die; there will be no more weeping.

Centuries later, John updated Isaiah's picture with more details in Re 21:


Believers will dwell on the new earth with God.


If someone cries, God will comfort them. No one will die on the new earth.


Isaiah suggested no more mourning but people may still die on the new earth, while John suggested people may mourn but no one will die. Both used symbolic language. I think both indicate no more mourning or death.
Maybe in the heaven, we live forever, but on New Earth, people who have helped the Christian cause, but never had the chance to become Christian themselves can live their lives, but pass away at 100+ years old. But who knows, we will only know as Christians when we pass away, and live eternally with Jesus. Isaiah and Revelation are pretty complicated.
 
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Isaiah 65:


No more crying but people still die?


This was apocalyptic language. People will no longer physically die; there will be no more weeping.

Centuries later, John updated Isaiah's picture with more details in Re 21:


Believers will dwell on the new earth with God.


If someone cries, God will comfort them. No one will die on the new earth.


Isaiah suggested no more mourning but people may still die on the new earth, while John suggested people may mourn but no one will die. Both used symbolic language. I think both indicate no more mourning or death.
The New Testament shines light on the Old Testament. Isaiah was describing eternity in a way that people could understand in his day when they had no concept of eternity. But in New Testament times we do have some concept of eternity because we know that we are promised eternal life if we have faith in Jesus Christ (John 3:16). So, Revelation 21:4 should be read literally to indicate that there will literally be no more death, crying, sorrow or pain on the new earth.
 
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Maybe in the heaven, we live forever, but on New Earth, people who have helped the Christian cause, but never had the chance to become Christian themselves can live their lives, but pass away at 100+ years old. But who knows, we will only know as Christians when we pass away, and live eternally with Jesus. Isaiah and Revelation are pretty complicated.
The complication is removed when we understand that NT scripture gives the fuller revelation of what will happen in comparison to OT scripture, generally speaking. Surely, God will not want sin and death to go on forever, so it makes sense that there will be no more death, sorrow, crying or pain on the new earth just as Revelation 21:4 indicates.
 
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The complication is removed when we understand that NT scripture gives the fuller revelation of what will happen in comparison to OT scripture, generally speaking. Surely, God will not want sin and death to go on forever, so it makes sense that there will be no more death, sorrow, crying or pain on the new earth just as Revelation 21:4 indicates.
Yeah, Isaiah is OT, so NT has a much clearer picture.
 
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Isaiah 65:


No more crying but people still die?


This was apocalyptic language. People will no longer physically die; there will be no more weeping.

Centuries later, John updated Isaiah's picture with more details in Re 21:


Believers will dwell on the new earth with God.


If someone cries, God will comfort them. No one will die on the new earth.


Isaiah suggested no more mourning but people may still die on the new earth, while John suggested people may mourn but no one will die. Both used symbolic language. I think both indicate no more mourning or death.
Another perspective is the already but not yet, where we experience God's presence and his reign, blessings in our lives but yet still experience physical death. In contrast to Revelation 21 that alludes to the fullness of that experience, no death.
 
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