Having a conscious awareness of God/Jesus presence with you/in you everywhere and at all times always. Something I am right now working on currently.

Neogaia777 · Jul 25, 2024

Neogaia777 said:
And I think there is a certain danger in not having a deep, personal, intimate, already fully established relationship with Jesus Christ that cannot be kept or maintained apart from church, or having others, etc. But I think it's much, much more beneficial to already have that already before you go, or join, or go in, etc.

That's not saying you shouldn't go, but you should already have that apart from any others maybe before even joining or going in, etc.

Part of some of the greatest peoples training in the Bible, was being alone or all by themselves for awhile, etc. And even Jesus himself needed to go off alone a lot in order to talk to God, and hear Him more clearly, etc.

And I think that it is precisely because of most people's in churches not having this apart from just only being able to "feel it" in their churches, etc, is why we are not having, or they are not having/seeing, any kind of great power, or massive revivals like there used to be, etc. Because this is precisely what a lot of them, or most individual people in churches, are lacking, etc.

God Bless.

I'm not going to say it's not risky being alone, but just that this was an integral vital part of most great peoples in the Bibles very much vital and essential, preparation and training, etc.

And people today are not doing that, or are not getting to go through/experience that, and I think that that is a big part of their problem, and is precisely why we have a lot of "dead churches", or a lot of dead people in dead, powerless churches, etc.

In my opinion, they are not experiencing the true power or presence of God because of this, etc, and never ever truly will without this, etc.

God Bless.

Rose_bud · Jul 25, 2024

Hi there

I agree with what @Presbyterian Continuist is saying. God promises that He will never leave or forsake us. We just have to trust in His all abiding presence. But maybe you will find value in a book I once read long ago. Practicing the Presence by a Catholic monk, Brother Lawrence. He shares how to continuely be cognizant of God's presence even in the seemily mundane things in life. How to embrace the present moment and he also provides some wisdom for letting go of distractions and worries.

Presbyterian Continuist · Jul 25, 2024

Neogaia777 said:
I wouldn't have said it if I didn't know it was in there, etc. Don't you know that I have much more integrity than that, etc?

Romans 2:21-22

Sure, I paraphrased a bit, but it doesn't mean that's not what it means, or that it doesn't teach the very same as what I said, etc.

God Bless.

One of my faults is that I don't have the ability to read people's minds. All I can do is to give my opinion and you can take it or leave it.

Presbyterian Continuist · Jul 25, 2024

NBB said:
I respectfully disagree, Jesus promised to be with us when we gather not alone, i don't mean you are going to be 'unborn again' outside gatherings, in my experience not going to gatherings where God is, has the effect of people becoming cold, that happens after a maybe long while, and even in danger. I am speaking with my experience, is an easy testimony really, when i gathered with brothers, i kept God presence close, when i stopped going i became cold, it happened 'reliably'. I don't mean to say God presence will dwindle in a short time if you don't go, but it will after some time.

Are you saying that Jesus can only be in you while you are gathering other believers? So He comes out of you when you leave the gathering...where does He go? Have I read the Scripture wrong? Should it read, "Christ in you the hope of glory while you are in the company of other believers"? So when you wake up on a gold grey Monday morning and trudge off to work, Jesus is not living in your heart by faith? So, you don't identify with the 120 on the Day of Pentecost when the fire of God's presence settled on each person's head. So there was no fire of God's presence settling on your head when you became a Christian. Okay, if you want to believe that, you're welcome to it.

Presbyterian Continuist · Jul 25, 2024

NBB said:
I respectfully disagree, Jesus promised to be with us when we gather not alone, i don't mean you are going to be 'unborn again' outside gatherings, in my experience not going to gatherings where God is, has the effect of people becoming cold, that happens after a maybe long while, and even in danger. I am speaking with my experience, is an easy testimony really, when i gathered with brothers, i kept God presence close, when i stopped going i became cold, it happened 'reliably'. I don't mean to say God presence will dwindle in a short time if you don't go, but it will after some time.

The only reason why God is with the gathering is that each person with God living in their heart comes together with others who have God living in their heart. But once all the people leave the building, God is no longer there, because all the people with God living in their hearts have left and gone home.

Also, how do you explain the testimonies of those who have been imprisoned for their faith and have endured months in solitary confinement, yet have not gone cold, but have maintained the strength of their faith? By your definition they should have gone cold toward God because they had no opportunity to gather with other believers.

As for me, I am retired and spend most of my time at home. I depend totally upon Jesus living in my heart 24 hours a day seven days a week. I don't need to depend on other believers around me to maintain my faith. This is because Jesus alone is my strength and song and he dwells within me, and has promised that He will never leave me nor forsake me.

Presbyterian Continuist · Jul 25, 2024

Neogaia777 said:
I'm not going to say it's not risky being alone, but just that this was an integral vital part of most great peoples in the Bibles very much vital and essential, preparation and training, etc.

And people today are not doing that, or are not getting to go through/experience that, and I think that that is a big part of their problem, and is precisely why we have a lot of "dead churches", or a lot of dead people in dead, powerless churches, etc.

In my opinion, they are not experiencing the true power or presence of God because of this, etc, and never ever truly will without this, etc.

God Bless.

I belong to a Union (Presbyterian/Methodist) church that could be termed "dead and powerless", because we have mainly elderly people and have around 10 people to a Sunday service. The service is mainly three hymns and a sermon, and I find it hard to stay awake during some boring sermons that are not as Christ-centred as I would like. But my purpose for being there is to be a light for the genuine Gospel of Christ with the hope that for some of the people my presence may make the difference between heaven and hell for them. So, my faith is not in the spiritual quality of that church, but I am kept strong by the presence of Jesus in my heart, because that is where my faith is. If a person is negatively affected by being in a dead church, it is because they have more faith in that church than in the Jesus in their heart. They are still in the Old Covenant where they are looking for the presence of God in a "temple" made with men's hands.

Neogaia777 · Jul 25, 2024

Presbyterian Continuist said:
I belong to a Union (Presbyterian/Methodist) church that could be termed "dead and powerless", because we have mainly elderly people and have around 10 people to a Sunday service. The service is mainly three hymns and a sermon, and I find it hard to stay awake during some boring sermons that are not as Christ-centred as I would like. But my purpose for being there is to be a light for the genuine Gospel of Christ with the hope that for some of the people my presence may make the difference between heaven and hell for them. So, my faith is not in the spiritual quality of that church, but I am kept strong by the presence of Jesus in my heart, because that is where my faith is. If a person is negatively affected by being in a dead church, it is because they have more faith in that church than in the Jesus in their heart. They are still in the Old Covenant where they are looking for the presence of God in a "temple" made with men's hands.

That's why I go to church as well, is for the other people there, and so that I might or could be of some service to them in some way maybe, etc.

God Bless.

Neogaia777 · Jul 25, 2024

Presbyterian Continuist said:
One of my faults is that I don't have the ability to read people's minds. All I can do is to give my opinion and you can take it or leave it.

Ok, but you said that scripture wasn't in the Bible though, etc. Which implied that you'd think I would say it if it wasn't, etc. Which I wouldn't, and never would, and don't, etc.

But now you know it's in there, so I guess that is good, right?

God Bless.

NBB · Jul 25, 2024

Presbyterian Continuist said:
The only reason why God is with the gathering is that each person with God living in their heart comes together with others who have God living in their heart. But once all the people leave the building, God is no longer there, because all the people with God living in their hearts have left and gone home.

Also, how do you explain the testimonies of those who have been imprisoned for their faith and have endured months in solitary confinement, yet have not gone cold, but have maintained the strength of their faith? By your definition they should have gone cold toward God because they had no opportunity to gather with other believers.

As for me, I am retired and spend most of my time at home. I depend totally upon Jesus living in my heart 24 hours a day seven days a week. I don't need to depend on other believers around me to maintain my faith. This is because Jesus alone is my strength and song and he dwells within me, and has promised that He will never leave me nor forsake me.

Yes Jesus promised to be there when gathering not when we are alone, and like i said i don't mean to say you are going to lose God in you if you don't. But his presence may dwindle.

Presbyterian Continuist · Jul 25, 2024

NBB said:
Yes Jesus promised to be there when gathering not when we are alone, and like i said i don't mean to say you are going to lose God in you if you don't. But his presence may dwindle.

Perhaps in the presence of other believers and being encouraged and inspired by them, your emotions rise as you enjoy the experience. When the meeting is over and you go back to your own home and returned to the everyday issues that we all face, emotions can go back down and you don't feel as joyful or inspired as before. If your heightened emotions in a gathering are your indication of the intensity of God's presence, then you are putting more store on emotional feelings than the promise of God's Word that Jesus lives in your heart by faith no matter whether your emotions are high or low. God's actual presence, by faith, is constant, while your perception of his presence can vary.

I am sure that Gideon received a spirit of dysentery when he was told, "God is with you, mighty man of valour". He didn't feel like God was with him, but he obeyed God's instructions nevertheless and won a mighty victory.

NBB · Jul 26, 2024

Presbyterian Continuist said:
Perhaps in the presence of other believers and being encouraged and inspired by them, your emotions rise as you enjoy the experience. When the meeting is over and you go back to your own home and returned to the everyday issues that we all face, emotions can go back down and you don't feel as joyful or inspired as before. If your heightened emotions in a gathering are your indication of the intensity of God's presence, then you are putting more store on emotional feelings than the promise of God's Word that Jesus lives in your heart by faith no matter whether your emotions are high or low. God's actual presence, by faith, is constant, while your perception of his presence can vary.

I am sure that Gideon received a spirit of dysentery when he was told, "God is with you, mighty man of valour". He didn't feel like God was with him, but he obeyed God's instructions nevertheless and won a mighty victory.

No, is not like that, it has happened again and again, and i can discern His presence. It can accompany us all the time, His presence is not a feeling. It can be felt, but is God. Even a small gathering, with a bad building no AC bad seats, 'uneducated' people etc, if you can find God in there is a treasure worth a lot.

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