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It's been announced today that Joe Biden has "Covid" possibly his great disappearing act is now taking place?

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Are you just going to ignore everything else I posted? I mean, the clinical trials showed that we would need to vaccinate 141 people to stop ONE infection. Surely you're not going to engage in historical revisionism and pretend like the public health authorities and government didn't VASTLY overstate the efficacy of the vaccine, are you?
Yes, I'm going to ignore your strawman because I made a statement that even being vaccinated you aren't 100% protected from catching it. You claimed that "big parma" claimed otherwise, and yet you have not been able to show that.
 
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Yes, I'm going to ignore your strawman

It's not a strawman. It's evidence showing that the absolute risk reduction of the vaccine in the clinical trials was <1%. I can see why you'd want to ignore that, what with public health authorities claiming efficacy far higher than that, but it's anything but a strawman.

because I made a statement that even being vaccinated you aren't 100% protected from catching it. You claimed that "big parma" claimed otherwise, and yet you have not been able to show that.

Sure I have. Here it is again, from Dr. Walensky, Director of the CDC at the time:
Vaccinated people do not carry the virus — they don’t get sick,” Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the CDC, told MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow on Tuesday. That’s “not just in the clinical trials, but it’s also in real-world data.”
You'll note here that she did not qualify this statement by saying most vaccinated people don't carry the virus or get sick. She simply stated matter-of-factly that vaccinated people don't carry the virus and don't get sick. That has NEVER been true.
 
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Just Albert Bourla, CEO of Pfizer, stating that the vaccine was 100% effective.

I have no idea how people can pretend like there was not a concerted effort to convince everyone that the vaccine would protect everyone who got it. If you have 11 minutes and want to be disgusted, here is a video compilation of the absolutely RELENTLESS propaganda campaign to get people vaccinated. Be aware that there are a few uses of obscene language directed at the unvaccinated (all but one is bleeped), but everyone should view this to understand the lengths people went to try and convince everyone that the vaccine would protect them from getting infected.


Meanwhile, back here in reality, Joe Biden is infected with COVID. Again. After taking no fewer than 6 doses of the vaccine.
 
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Oh man Biden should drop out when ever is the best time to steal the spotlight from the R convention. Maybe a few hours prior to Trumps speech.

Hold!... Hold!........ loose!!!

Thats "loose". Not "lose"...... (hopefully.)
 
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It's not a strawman. It's evidence showing that the absolute risk reduction of the vaccine in the clinical trials was <1%. I can see why you'd want to ignore that, what with public health authorities claiming efficacy far higher than that, but it's anything but a strawman.
I never made a claim about the efficiency of the vaccine. All I said was that even if you had been vaccinated you could still catch it, as a way of showing that Biden being sick isn't suspicious. You are the one who decided to go into detail about the purported efficiency, not me.
Sure I have. Here it is again, from Dr. Walensky, Director of the CDC at the time:
Vaccinated people do not carry the virus — they don’t get sick,” Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the CDC, told MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow on Tuesday. That’s “not just in the clinical trials, but it’s also in real-world data.”
You'll note here that she did not qualify this statement by saying most vaccinated people don't carry the virus or get sick. She simply stated matter-of-factly that vaccinated people don't carry the virus and don't get sick. That has NEVER been true.
My apologies, I missed this before. But yes thank you, Dr. Walensky did speak broader then she should have. It's not "big pharma" but I will openly admit that somebody in an authoritative position spread disinformation about the efficiency of the vaccine. Still doesn't really effect my point though.
 
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So many possibilities. The Presidency is up for grabs and the devils fight among themselves. There is spiritual handiwork all over this election.
This will be a great scare for the public after they take away the internet, “demons use mRNA technology to create deadly pathogens, science has killed us all!”
I don’t envy those who’ll crave the history slabs!
 
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Really? You guys are doing a vaccine conspiracy thread in July 2024?

Sure, why not? I mean, there are still people pushing COVID vaccines in July 2024, so it's only fair that we go back and review the original clinical trial data to understand just how much their efficacy was oversold.
 
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I never made a claim about the efficiency of the vaccine. All I said was that even if you had been vaccinated you could still catch it, as a way of showing that Biden being sick isn't suspicious.

No, I don't think it's suspicious at all. In fact, there is a near certainty that vaccinated or not, EVERYONE will get COVID at some point in their lives.

You are the one who decided to go into detail about the purported efficiency, not me.

Yes, to show just how much the vaccines were oversold to people.

My apologies, I missed this before. But yes thank you, Dr. Walensky did speak broader then she should have. It's not "big pharma" but I will openly admit that somebody in an authoritative position spread disinformation about the efficiency of the vaccine.

You probably missed this then also. Here is Albert Bourla, CEO of Pfizer claiming data showing the vaccine to be "100% effective". Certainly the CEO of Pfizer qualifies as "big Pharma".

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Still doesn't really effect my point though.

Not sure what your point is. Big Pharma (represented by Albert Bourla) claimed that the vaccine was 100% effective and the CDC overstated the efficacy by telling people they wouldn't carry the virus or get sick if they got vaccinated. Neither of these things has ever been even close to true.
 
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