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No 'fundamental right' to change sex on birth certificate, federal appeals court rules

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A Tennessee law that prevents trans-identified residents from changing the sex marker on their birth certificates to reflect their self-declared gender identity is not a violation of the U.S. Constitution, a federal appeals court ruled on Friday.

The 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals sided with the state of Tennessee in a 2-1 decision, ruling against plaintiffs Kayla Gore, L.G., K.N. and Jaime Combs. The four plaintiffs are men who identify as women who sought to change the sex on their birth certificates.

Writing for the majority opinion, Judge Jeffrey Sutton stated that "there is no fundamental right to a birth certificate recording gender identity instead of biological sex." The judge wrote that the Tennessee law treats both sexes equally, and the state recording sex instead of gender identity on birth certificates "does not withhold a constitutionally prescribed benefit."

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I was filling out a form on-line. The choices were male, female and other. "Other"?? This world's gone crazy. I'm glad some people still have their senses.
 
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I was filling out a form on-line. The choices were male, female and other. "Other"?? This world's gone crazy. I'm glad some people still have their senses.
Tell me about it. I filled out a form that actually listed non-white ethnicities as a choice. Back in my grandfathers day, that was unheard of. He’s probably rolling in his grave.
 
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Tell me about it. I filled out a form that actually listed non-white ethnicities as a choice. Back in my grandfathers day, that was unheard of. He’s probably rolling in his grave.
People are born different races, they don't choose to become what they are.
 
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People are born different races, they don't choose to become what they are.
It may shock you to hear that people are also born different genders.
 
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A Tennessee law that prevents trans-identified residents from changing the sex marker on their birth certificates to reflect their self-declared gender identity is not a violation of the U.S. Constitution, a federal appeals court ruled on Friday.

The 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals sided with the state of Tennessee in a 2-1 decision, ruling against plaintiffs Kayla Gore, L.G., K.N. and Jaime Combs. The four plaintiffs are men who identify as women who sought to change the sex on their birth certificates.

Writing for the majority opinion, Judge Jeffrey Sutton stated that "there is no fundamental right to a birth certificate recording gender identity instead of biological sex." The judge wrote that the Tennessee law treats both sexes equally, and the state recording sex instead of gender identity on birth certificates "does not withhold a constitutionally prescribed benefit."

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Dang. I was going to try to get mine changed to female and my name to Joan of Arc.
 
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A Tennessee law that prevents trans-identified residents from changing the sex marker on their birth certificates to reflect their self-declared gender identity is not a violation of the U.S. Constitution, a federal appeals court ruled on Friday.

The 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals sided with the state of Tennessee in a 2-1 decision, ruling against plaintiffs Kayla Gore, L.G., K.N. and Jaime Combs. The four plaintiffs are men who identify as women who sought to change the sex on their birth certificates.

Writing for the majority opinion, Judge Jeffrey Sutton stated that "there is no fundamental right to a birth certificate recording gender identity instead of biological sex." The judge wrote that the Tennessee law treats both sexes equally, and the state recording sex instead of gender identity on birth certificates "does not withhold a constitutionally prescribed benefit."

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Gender is a state of mind. Sex is biology. The birth certificate is about biology. Duh.
 
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Yes, men and women.
I remember one time my grandfather got big mad because a man who worked with my mother self-identified as white, but that man’s father was a light-skinned Jamaican man. He was incensed that somebody would dare claim he was white when one of his birth parents was black. He thought that ethnicity was on a binary of white and not white and anybody who wasn’t white claiming to be white was choosing to be deceptive. He just went by the little information he had, just what he saw, to decide what somebody else must identify as.

Crazy, huh?
 
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I remember one time my grandfather got big mad because a man who worked with my mother self-identified as white, but that man’s father was a light-skinned Jamaican man. He was incensed that somebody would dare claim he was white when one of his birth parents was black. He thought that ethnicity was on a binary of white and not white and anybody who wasn’t white claiming to be white was choosing to be deceptive. He just went by the little information he had, just what he saw, to decide what somebody else must identify as.

Crazy, huh?
Your grandfather sounds like a racist.
 
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Your grandfather sounds like a racist.
IMHO, every living man and woman is racist. It's only a matter of degree. Same thing with sex, height, age, baldness, etc.

I'm racist. Interestingly, it was almost non-existent when I visited Freeport in the Bahamas (it's the "working man's" Bahamas) last year. The population is almost 100% black with a few Canadians thrown in. The black people there were pretty much just like me, except they were black. Turns out that the ones I talked to hate "american black culture" as much as I do. That was interesting.

i.e. sometimes it's not that people are biased against a race. Rather, they are biased against a culture. And at the end of the day all of that only applies to first impressions. As you get to know a person it gets thrown out. A white guy might hate another white guy, but love a black guy. Kinda reminds me of a phrase I heard about 30 years ago that actually seems to fit fairly well:
Leftists love the masses but hate people
Conservatives hate the masses but love people.
 
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Your grandfather sounds like a racist.
Absolutely he was. He’d have never admitted it though, because he thought himself quite the man of the people who was just better informed than the people he was judging. We all saw it, though.

I suspect some people’s grandchildren will go on to have similar revelations about their grandparents courtesy of the opinions and bias they carried back in the day.
 
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I suspect some people’s grandchildren will go on to have similar revelations about their grandparents courtesy of the opinions and bias they carried back in the day.
I tell my grandkids all the time that we were racist in the 70s but I told them we have gone a long way and my granddaughter is a product of racial healing.

I think the ones screaming racism are the racists. There are racists in all the colors not just white.
 
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I tell my grandkids all the time that we were racist in the 70s but I told them we have gone a long way and my granddaughter is a product of racial healing.

I think the ones screaming racism are the racists. There are racists in all the colors not just white.
Can’t wait to hear what our grandkids have to say.
 
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I tell my grandkids all the time that we were racist in the 70s but I told them we have gone a long way and my granddaughter is a product of racial healing.

I think the ones screaming racism are the racists. There are racists in all the colors not just white.
Yup. I like to put it this way: Regarding political and social issues, the first one to inject race into the discussion is the racist.
 
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Can’t wait to hear what our grandkids have to say.
Hopefully, we'll be around to talk with our grandchildren when they are young adults. Mine are still in their teens.
 
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Hopefully, we'll be around to talk with our grandchildren when they are young adults. Mine are still in their teens.
My kids are teens now and I’ve been having these discussions with them for years and years already.
 
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