Judge finds appointment of special counsel Jack Smith violated the Constitution--Trump's classified docs case dismissed

Valletta · Jul 15, 2024

Trump’s Florida case stunningly dismissed after judge finds appointment of special counsel Jack Smith violated the Constitution

Former President Donald Trump’s confidential documents case was tossed out by a federal judge in a stunning move in Florida on Monday — eliminating one of his biggest legal liabilities just 113 day…

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I've pointed out for a long time that the appointment of Jack Smith was in violation of the U.S. Constitution.

Laodicean60 · Jul 15, 2024

I am glad because other politicians had classified material. Try one try them all.

SimplyMe · Jul 15, 2024

It will be interesting to see the appeals of this ruling. I'm guessing the appeals court will overrule this ruling, since Jack Smith reports to the DoJ and has limited power. We'll see what the Supreme Court decides, though it appears Justice Thomas has already prejudged the case.

Regardless, this has done exactly what Trump wanted -- ensured the case will not come to trial before the November election.

Valletta · Jul 15, 2024

Laodicean60 said:
I am glad because other politicians had classified material. Try one try them all.

President's do retain documents. The fact that Joe Biden had classified documents from the time he was a senator was particularly disturbing.

Postvieww · Jul 15, 2024

Just one more piece of get Trump house of cards falling.

Valletta · Jul 15, 2024

SimplyMe said:
It will be interesting to see the appeals of this ruling. I'm guessing the appeals court will overrule this ruling, since Jack Smith reports to the DoJ and has limited power. We'll see what the Supreme Court decides, though it appears Justice Thomas has already prejudged the case.

Regardless, this has done exactly what Trump wanted -- ensured the case will not come to trial before the November election.

I believe the U.S. Constitution will stand. Yes, Trump wants to be able to campaign during campaign season and does not want to be tied up in court or under a gag order. I agree with Trump on that point, I think the American people deserve to hear what he and other candidates have to say with no government interference.

Laodicean60 · Jul 15, 2024

Valletta said:
President's do retain documents. The fact that Joe Biden had classified documents from the time he was a senator was particularly disturbing.

Of course, it's disturbing to you because Joe is a Democrat. What about Pence? No one should be allowed to keep classified documents period. There are laws to be followed when it comes to classified documents.

SimplyMe · Jul 15, 2024

Valletta said:
I think the U.S. Constitution will stand.

I'm sure the Constitution will stand, but that doesn't tell us how the Supreme Court will rule; regardless of Justice Thomas' apparent bias in the case.

BCP1928 · Jul 15, 2024

Laodicean60 said:
I am glad because other politicians had classified material. Try one try them all.

Trump wasn't being tried for having classified material.

BCP1928 · Jul 15, 2024

Laodicean60 said:
Of course, it's disturbing to you because Joe is a Democrat. What about Pence? No one should be allowed to keep classified documents period. There are laws to be followed when it comes to classified documents.

Not for Trump, apparently. Trump wasn't being tried for having classified material. He was being tried for lying about having it and refusing to give it back.

Postvieww · Jul 15, 2024

BCP1928 said:
Not for Trump, apparently. Trump wasn't being tried for having classified material. He was being tried for lying about having it and refusing to give it back.

Case dismissed!

Laodicean60 · Jul 15, 2024

BCP1928 said:
Trump wasn't being tried for having classified material.

He should have been. There is no reason classified material should be taken from a secured area to a nonsecured area.

BCP1928 · Jul 15, 2024

Laodicean60 said:
He should have been. There is no reason classified material should be taken from a secured area to a nonsecured area.

Then so should Biden and Pence. In that respect, Trump, Biden and Pence have been treated equally under the law.

BCP1928 · Jul 15, 2024

At least we know for sure the name of one person who will be nominated for the Supreme Court during a Trump administration.

Valletta · Jul 15, 2024

BCP1928 said:
Not for Trump, apparently. Trump wasn't being tried for having classified material. He was being tried for lying about having it and refusing to give it back.

Remember the covers of the documents that indicated they were classified were put there by the FBI for a staged photo. That's called evidence tampering, and criminal charges need to be pursued.

JosephZ · Jul 15, 2024

BCP1928 said:
Trump wasn't being tried for having classified material.

32 of the counts were for the willful retention of national defense information.

Reasonably Sane · Jul 15, 2024

Like I've said for years, Trump's MO* is to lose in the lower courts and win in the higher courts. That's why I always find the lower court losses kinda comical.

*Yes, I know he's not batting 1000, but he's doing pretty well. That's why I see it as his MO. Or, more precisely, our legal system's MO when it comes to Trump. Thing is, it's easer to put partisan hacks behind the bench in lower courts than higher courts.

BCP1928 · Jul 15, 2024

JosephZ said:
31 of the counts were for the willful retention of national defense information.

Which would have been let to slide if he had not lied about having them and then refused to give them back.

DaisyDay · Jul 15, 2024

BCP1928 said:
Then so should Biden and Pence. In that respect, Trump, Biden and Pence have been treated equally under the law.

They were. Pence and Biden cooperated and returned what documents they had but Trump not only did not return them when requested but went to great lengths to retain them - lying, moving them and outright hiding them. And then there’s the sheer volume of the documents he knowingly stole.

I don’t understand the denial.

DaisyDay · Jul 15, 2024

Reasonably Sane said:
Like I've said for years, Trump's MO* is to lose in the lower courts and win in the higher courts. That's why I always find the lower court losses kinda comical.

*Yes, I know he's not batting 1000, but he's doing pretty well. That's why I see it as his MO. Or, more precisely, our legal system's MO when it comes to Trump. Thing is, it's easer to put partisan hacks behind the bench in lower courts than higher courts.

Have you actually compared his losses that stood with the losses later overturned? I think you got his MO wrong.

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