Modern LGBTQIA+ and It's Homophobic

IceJad · Jul 4, 2024

I never thought the day would come when the sane LGB people would open their eyes to the reality of modern day LGBTQIA+ agenda and community. I have seen this movement for equality slowly morphed into the debauchery it is today. Back in the day I was sympathetic towards their cause. Rightly so because they were denied the full rights and dignity to life. Then acceptance became compliance. Tolerance became mandate. The oppressed became the oppressors.

I lost all respect for the movements some time back. This can't be the end result I would always tell myself. This can't be the monster people say they were. And yet each day I was proven wrong. Time and again I see the monster I had supported. I wonder where were the people who once appealed to my sense of justice and fairness. Now I get to see them again. And I'm glad they now see too what I see in the modern movement.

The movement is too far gone that now the people who initially started it are now unwelcome. Called phobic and racist. They should have never let the fringe into their movement to begin with.

Tinker Grey · Jul 4, 2024

Lily_o_valley · Jul 4, 2024

Interesting, and slightly mind blowing. I don't agree with all of this by any means, but the twisting of language is significant, I think, and my initial thoughts are that the issues raised in the video are related to extreme leftist ideas (the paradox of intolerant tolerance) becoming mainstream. I wonder though, if the church were more compassionate, the Pride/ rebellion would perhaps never have reached these bizarrel levels.

Astrid · Jul 4, 2024

TzipiDee said:
Interesting, and slightly mind blowing. I don't agree with all of this by any means, but the twisting of language is significant, I think, and my initial thoughts are that the issues raised in the video are related to extreme leftist ideas (the paradox of intolerant tolerance) becoming mainstream. I wonder though, if the church were more compassionate, the Pride/ rebellion would perhaps never have reached these bizarrel levels.

1. Nobody can twist language unless people accept it.

2. English is constantly evolving

See how "awesome" now means "thanks" ( in America)

Larniavc · Jul 4, 2024

IceJad said:
I never thought the day would come when the sane LGB people would open their eyes to the reality of modern day LGBTQIA+ agenda and community. I have seen this movement for equality slowly morphed into the debauchery it is today. Back in the day I was sympathetic towards their cause. Rightly so because they were denied the full rights and dignity to life. Then acceptance became compliance. Tolerance became mandate. The oppressed became the oppressors.

I lost all respect for the movements some time back. This can't be the end result I would always tell myself. This can't be the monster people say they were. And yet each day I was proven wrong. Time and again I see the monster I had supported. I wonder where were the people who once appealed to my sense of justice and fairness. Now I get to see them again. And I'm glad they now see too what I see in the modern movement.

The movement is too far gone that now the people who initially started it are now unwelcome. Called phobic and racist. They should have never let the fringe into their movement to begin with.

Can you give me a rough out line of the salient points? I don’t have access to the internet.

eleos1954 · Jul 4, 2024

IceJad said:
I never thought the day would come when the sane LGB people would open their eyes to the reality of modern day LGBTQIA+ agenda and community. I have seen this movement for equality slowly morphed into the debauchery it is today. Back in the day I was sympathetic towards their cause. Rightly so because they were denied the full rights and dignity to life. Then acceptance became compliance. Tolerance became mandate. The oppressed became the oppressors.

I lost all respect for the movements some time back. This can't be the end result I would always tell myself. This can't be the monster people say they were. And yet each day I was proven wrong. Time and again I see the monster I had supported. I wonder where were the people who once appealed to my sense of justice and fairness. Now I get to see them again. And I'm glad they now see too what I see in the modern movement.

The movement is too far gone that now the people who initially started it are now unwelcome. Called phobic and racist. They should have never let the fringe into their movement to begin with.

I don't think initially the gay movement had any idea what it would "morph" into ... what happened is the redefining of the word "gender" ... whereas gender was always understood to be biological male or female .... now has been redefined as being whatever you think (identify as) you are and dismisses the biological understanding as was originally understood and accepted.

Those holding to the biological definition of gender are considered to be "homophobic" and/or racist. Personally I will not dismiss science. One can believe what they want and say what they want .... but the science does not change. XX or XY is in every cell of your body and is immutable. I won't be a science deniar.

Astrid · Jul 4, 2024

eleos1954 said:
I don't think initially the gay movement had any idea what it would "morph" into ... what happened is the redefining of the word "gender" ... whereas gender was always understood to be biological male or female .... now has been redefined as being whatever you think (identify as) you are and dismisses the biological understanding as was originally understood and accepted.

Those holding to the biological definition of gender are considered to be "homophobic" and/or racist. Personally I will not dismiss science. One can believe what they want and say what they want .... but the science does not change. XX or XY is in every cell of your body and is immutable. I won't be a science deniar.

From very different life situations we come to the
same basic pov.

rjs330 · Jul 4, 2024

Larniavc said:
Can you give me a rough out line of the salient points? I don’t have access to the internet.

How can you access this forum without it?

Hazelelponi · Jul 4, 2024

TzipiDee said:
Interesting, and slightly mind blowing. I don't agree with all of this by any means, but the twisting of language is significant, I think, and my initial thoughts are that the issues raised in the video are related to extreme leftist ideas (the paradox of intolerant tolerance) becoming mainstream. I wonder though, if the church were more compassionate, the Pride/ rebellion would perhaps never have reached these bizarrel levels.

I honestly don't think so... Christians weren't always supportive but most of society was... I think acceptance is what let it get out of control.

When your philosophy is anything to buck whatever the status quo is, then eventually it will literally take people straight off a cliff....

rjs330 · Jul 4, 2024

IceJad said:
I never thought the day would come when the sane LGB people would open their eyes to the reality of modern day LGBTQIA+ agenda and community. I have seen this movement for equality slowly morphed into the debauchery it is today. Back in the day I was sympathetic towards their cause. Rightly so because they were denied the full rights and dignity to life. Then acceptance became compliance. Tolerance became mandate. The oppressed became the oppressors.

I lost all respect for the movements some time back. This can't be the end result I would always tell myself. This can't be the monster people say they were. And yet each day I was proven wrong. Time and again I see the monster I had supported. I wonder where were the people who once appealed to my sense of justice and fairness. Now I get to see them again. And I'm glad they now see too what I see in the modern movement.

The movement is too far gone that now the people who initially started it are now unwelcome. Called phobic and racist. They should have never let the fringe into their movement to begin with.

Did they allow the fringe in? Is there really a fringe or was it it always a large part of the movement? They've always accepted this as part of their group. That's why LGB has become KGBTQIA+. The LGB has always touted acceptance as part of their creed. We are told that all these folks have always existed. LGB has always been about gathering the "oppressed" together when it came to sexuality. I think they were always part of the group and I believe what we see to today was always the agenda.

But like any group it's not completely monolithic. There are those within the group who will object to certain belief systems, agendas and actions within the group. They are often the minority within the minority. Such as conservative black politicians and voters.

Grip Docility · Jul 4, 2024

TzipiDee said:
Interesting, and slightly mind blowing. I don't agree with all of this by any means, but the twisting of language is significant, I think, and my initial thoughts are that the issues raised in the video are related to extreme leftist ideas (the paradox of intolerant tolerance) becoming mainstream. I wonder though, if the church were more compassionate, the Pride/ rebellion would perhaps never have reached these bizarrel levels.

Sin is defined in Moses. Jesus saves Sinners. The physical body in totality dropped this ball and Satan gleefully picked it up with "Pride". The physical body is now split into "political" divisions over this single most Powder Keg of a discussion, which I'm not about to give off spark over (Name that Tune

).

The Physical Brick and Mortar Body is suffering by it's decline in membership and gross schisms, over this topic, while the "humanist" political movements "supporting" this specific community are essentially devouring their flock at their flock's expense, for power. Shepherds that devour their own flock are a biblical concept that is spelled out, but not in a good way.

As the great Forest Gump once said; "That's all I've got to say about that".

Laodicean60 · Jul 4, 2024

TzipiDee said:
I wonder though, if the church were more compassionate, the Pride/ rebellion would perhaps never have reached these bizarrel levels.

Winner! Every issue is in your face these days. As a Christian, my only job is to love the neighbor pray for them, and not worry about what they do in their bedroom or who has an abortion. I call it Christian virtue signaling. I believe the hate in this world is a result of Christians we have left our first love.

Grip Docility · Jul 4, 2024

Laodicean60 said:
Winner! Every issue is in your face these days. As a Christian, my only job is to love the neighbor pray for them, and not worry about what they do in their bedroom or who has an abortion. I call it Christian virtue signaling. I believe the hate in this world is a result of Christians we have left our first love.

1 Corinthians 12:30 - 1 Corinthians 13:13, 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11 Acts 9:2, John 14:6, James Chapter 2 (The entire book of James), Romans 1:1 - 2:1, John 8:1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,, John 13:34,35, 1 Corinthians 9:19,20,21,22,23, Isaiah 1:18, Romans 5:20, Revelation 7:14, Micah 7:18,19 and Revelation 2:4

Laodicean60 · Jul 4, 2024

Grip Docility said:
1 Corinthians 12:30 - 1 Corinthians 13:13, 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11 Acts 9:2, John 14:6, James Chapter 2 (The entire book of James), Romans 1:1 - 2:1, John 8:1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,, John 13:34,35, 1 Corinthians 9:19,20,21,22,23, Isaiah 1:18, Romans 5:20, Revelation 7:14, Micah 7:18,19 and Revelation 2:4

Who is this message to? As long as you don't do any of this fine where does it say to peak in someone's bedroom or worry about someone's abortion?

rjs330 · Jul 4, 2024

Laodicean60 said:
Winner! Every issue is in your face these days. As a Christian, my only job is to love the neighbor pray for them, and not worry about what they do in their bedroom or who has an abortion. I call it Christian virtue signaling. I believe the hate in this world is a result of Christians we have left our first love.

We are not to just pray for them but are also supposed to proclaim the gospel to them. You can't do that sitting in your house in prayer. People need to hear the gospel. And they can't hear it unless someone tells them. Jesus name to set the slave free. Not everyone who hears will believe and many will hate us for it.

Yes we arexto love our neighbor. Love doesn't rejoice in evil. But it is kind. It's unkind to let someone live a life of sin that's going to send them to eternal punishment without saying something to them.

Grip Docility · Jul 4, 2024

Laodicean60 said:
Who is this message to? As long as you don't do any of this fine where does it say to peak in someone's bedroom or worry about someone's abortion?

It is all, every word of it, intended to confirm and support every word that you wrote in your statements, here. It was my way of scripturally backing up what you took the time to write.

Laodicean60 said:
Who is this message to? As long as you don't do any of this fine where does it say to peak in someone's bedroom or worry about someone's abortion?

Laodicean60 said:
Winner! Every issue is in your face these days. As a Christian, my only job is to love the neighbor pray for them, and not worry about what they do in their bedroom or who has an abortion. I call it Christian virtue signaling. I believe the hate in this world is a result of Christians we have left our first love.

If you were hoping for rebuke or correction, I apologize.

Scripture doesn't rebuke you, but supports your words.

If you desire a scriptural rebuke, I will tongue in cheek leave you with this single verse intended to be taken as further encouragement from a Brother in Christ. Acts 26:24

Laodicean60 · Jul 4, 2024

rjs330 said:
We are not to just pray for them but are also supposed to proclaim the gospel to them.

I forgot the most important part, thx!

rjs330 said:
You can't do that sitting in your house in prayer. People need to hear the gospel. And they can't hear it unless someone tells them. Jesus name to set the slave free. Not everyone who hears will believe and many will hate us for it.

Especially on a forum where people have been bible bashed with every message in the bible that applies to Christians only. I didn't know God was limited when it came to prayer.

rjs330 said:
Yes we arexto love our neighbor. Love doesn't rejoice in evil.

Your right.

rjs330 said:
It's unkind to let someone live a life of sin that's going to send them to eternal punishment without saying something to them.

Since when did we take up the mantle of not letting someone go to eternal punishment? Jesus didn't point it out to people because He knew ALL of us are sinners and still are. What did Paul say about the message dust off your feet and move on because he knew many would reject the message. This is why we pray for others.

It's also unloving to point out other's sins as if you have the moral high ground. Christians worry about specks in other's eyes and while blinded by the plank in their own. I guess it makes some of us feel better by doing it.

RileyG · Jul 4, 2024

Love all people. What people do in the privacy of their bedrooms should remain private. Period.

comana · Jul 4, 2024

RileyG said:
Love all people. What people do in the privacy of their bedrooms should remain private. Period.

I think we can all agree that bedroom acts should not be performed in public. The laws even agree. However, just being gay and in public is not bringing what they do in their bedrooms into the public. Should we ban pregnant women from the public because their enlarged bellies are public proclamation of what they did in the privacy of their bedrooms?

RileyG · Jul 4, 2024

comana said:
I think we can all agree that bedroom acts should not be performed in public. The laws even agree. However, just being gay and in public is not bringing what they do in their bedrooms into the public. Should we ban pregnant women from the public because their enlarged bellies are public proclamation of what they did in the privacy of their bedrooms?

You’re right. And?

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