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From Fake News to Cheap Fake - it's more of the same, just different sides.

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White House Attacks “Cheap Fake” Joe Biden Videos As They Spread Across Right Wing Media And Parrot Donald Trump’s Talking Points (Analysis)​


LOL - the newest talking points:

- Cheap Fake
 

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I mean, he’s not wrong. Just hanging out here, it seems clear that media-literacy among the Right is abysmal. Folks are eager to jump on dishonestly edited videos, unable to perceive the selective framing, and resistant to the facts even after they’re pointed out. There’s a whole segment of Trump’s base that craves lies.

Whether calling it out is actually effective is another matter.
 
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I mean, he’s not wrong. Just hanging out here, it seems clear that media-literacy among the Right is abysmal. Folks are eager to jump on dishonestly edited videos, unable to perceive the selective framing, and resistant to the facts even after they’re pointed out. There’s a whole segment of Trump’s base that craves lies.

Whether calling it out is actually effective is another matter.
What about the footage proven to be unedited?

Obama grabbing Joe's wrist and leading him off stage - not cheap fake, but accurate depiction
Joe walking away and the Prime Minister of Italy having to take him by the arm - not cheap fake, but accurate depiction

There is more - but you get the point.

Yes, it is embarrassing, but not cheap nor fake.


not cheap, not fake and not even from some vast rightwing conspiracy media agency.
 
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What about the footage proven to be unedited?

Obama grabbing Joe's wrist and leading him off stage - not cheap fake, but accurate depiction
Joe walking away and the Prime Minister of Italy having to take him by the arm - not cheap fake, but accurate depiction

There is more - but you get the point.

Yes, it is embarrassing, but not cheap nor fake.


not cheap, not fake and not even from some vast rightwing conspiracy media agency.
Please enjoy fretting over nothing at all. (I mean, is the only reason that you’re not likely to vote for Biden is that he’s not “situationally aware”?)
 
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White House Attacks “Cheap Fake” Joe Biden Videos As They Spread Across Right Wing Media And Parrot Donald Trump’s Talking Points (Analysis)​


LOL - the newest talking points:

- Cheap Fake
To a large degree we don't know what is real and what is fake ... what is true ... what is false. With the onset of AI .... it's going to become much worse in that regard.

We live in a uncertain world.
 
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Please enjoy fretting over nothing at all. (I mean, is the only reason that you’re not likely to vote for Biden is that he’s not “situationally aware”?)
The only ones fretting are the people having to come up with excuses that a re evident and repetitious - that is causing much pearl clutching in the camp. Along with loosing minority voters by the thousands and the record lowest approval rate in recent history.

Actually the reason I am definitely not voting for Biden is who he is, what he says and the fact that a bag of hammers is better equipped on the world stage - but that is for a different thread.
 
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The only ones fretting are the people having to come up with excuses that a re evident and repetitious - that is causing much pearl clutching in the camp. Along with loosing minority voters by the thousands and the record lowest approval rate in recent history.

Actually the reason I am definitely not voting for Biden is who he is, what he says and the fact that a bag of hammers is better equipped on the world stage - but that is for a different thread.
Oh I see, you’re attempting to “inform undecided voters”, good luck with that.
 
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White House Attacks “Cheap Fake” Joe Biden Videos As They Spread Across Right Wing Media And Parrot Donald Trump’s Talking Points (Analysis)​


LOL - the newest talking points:

- Cheap Fake

Why is the GOP employing video altering methods to deceive voters.

I mean, we already know BIden is old.....there's no need to lie in videos.
 
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White House Attacks “Cheap Fake” Joe Biden Videos As They Spread Across Right Wing Media And Parrot Donald Trump’s Talking Points (Analysis)​


LOL - the newest talking points:

- Che

A cheap fake isn't actually fake at all, but rather the victim of selective editing, such as when the mainstream carefully removed all automotive industry context from Donald Trump's 'bloodbath' speech and then falsely claimed he was threatening the American people.

But the problem is the clips of Biden aren't actually edited at all. First, all the footage is from official sources, often put out by the white house themselves, and even when viewed without any editing the footage is just as bad.

At the G7 a presentation was being given by the hostess and they were supposed to be watching the presentation being given by the paratrooper in front of them so instead of taking his cues from what the group was doing and watching he just wanders off to watch the wrong paratrooper, turning his back on what he was supposed to be doing.

That's bad, for real. It was actually quite kind of the G7 hostess to bring him back, but how horrifying that it had to occur at all.

And again, the June dance that was a celebration of an event on the wrong day, editing or not doesn't matter.. he had not a clue what he was there for, but at least he was kinda facing the right direction.

Obama having to grab Bidens hand and lead him off the stage was never edited that I saw, and I saw two different views of it, both show the same, Biden is an invalid being led around.

The White House needs to stop gaslighting the American people.


[I have edited my post and removed the information about deep fakes being a felony, apparently that died in Committee in Congress, but it should be said that any accusations of anyone making deep fakes is a very serious accusation or insinuation]
 
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The White House needs to stop gaslighting the American people.

I think this is one of the reasons Biden continues to sink in the polls. The American people don't appreciate being told that what they see with their own two eyes is not real. The more the gaslighting continues, the more they will push people away.
 
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I mean, he’s not wrong. Just hanging out here, it seems clear that media-literacy among the Right is abysmal. Folks are eager to jump on dishonestly edited videos, unable to perceive the selective framing, and resistant to the facts even after they’re pointed out. There’s a whole segment of Trump’s base that craves lies.

Whether calling it out is actually effective is another matter.
There is also media literacy amongst the Left which is horrifically abysmal. In the Left wing media, they consistently and constantly parrot lies, half-truths while at the same time swearing to the public that the mainstream media of the Left are honest, factual reporters of the truth. There appears to be a large segment of the base of the Democratic Party that craves the half-truths and lies from the left wing media.
 
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There is also media literacy amongst the Left which is horrifically abysmal. In the Left wing media, they consistently and constantly parrot lies, half-truths while at the same time swearing to the public that the mainstream media of the Left are honest, factual reporters of the truth. There appears to be a large segment of the base of the Democratic Party that craves the half-truths and lies from the left wing media.
I don’t know anybody who thinks the MSM is faultless, but the gap between them and what passes for conservative “news” is quite wide. If there was demand on the right for actual journalism, or even if there was a desire to create it, then outlets would spring up. Instead, we have a couple of old stalwarts (e.g. WSJ) and a litany of low quality propagandists.
 
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I don’t know anybody who thinks the MSM is faultless, but the gap between them and what passes for conservative “news” is quite wide. If there was demand on the right for actual journalism, or even if there was a desire to create it, then outlets would spring up. Instead, we have a couple of old stalwarts (e.g. WSJ) and a litany of low quality propagandists.

The MSM is pretty good at propaganda as well.

Take this "fact check" from the AP, addressing the claim that Biden froze as he left the LA fundraiser as one example.


It's pretty astounding to read this. No one really knows exactly what happened when Biden stood motionless on stage for about 7 seconds. It sure looked to me like he just "froze", but it's entirely possible that he was, as the "fact check" states, "taking in an applauding crowd for a few seconds". Either is a plausible explanation. Or maybe it was as the spokesperson for Kimmel said, he was "trying to hear" what people were shouting at him.

So why the "fact check"? There aren't any "facts" to be found here. Just opinions and speculations on what happened for those 7 seconds from multiple people. So why is the AP risking their credibility to come to the rescue of Biden here with an alleged "fact check"?

The more people are being told that what they are seeing with their own two eyes isn't real, the more they will lose trust. IMO, the MSM has overplayed their hand, and most people have caught on to the game.
 
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'Fake news' - one side dismissing reporting that is accurate but inconvenient to them as made up or false.
'Cheap fake' - one side pointing out that visual media have been doctored to support a particular view or narrative.

These things are not the same. To draw equivalence between them takes paramecium levels of intellect.
 
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What about the footage proven to be unedited?

Obama grabbing Joe's wrist and leading him off stage - not cheap fake, but accurate depiction
Joe walking away and the Prime Minister of Italy having to take him by the arm - not cheap fake, but accurate depiction

There is more - but you get the point.

Yes, it is embarrassing, but not cheap nor fake.


not cheap, not fake and not even from some vast rightwing conspiracy media agency.
Jimmy Kimmel was clear last night that Biden did not wander or go into a dream, and that he was listening to a member of the audience. He didn't need for Obama to lead him off.

It is cheap journalism to claim it was more than just that.
 
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