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chevyontheriver

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The "Jesus, I give you my all, my everything, I give you all that I am" prayer is a promise to God, same thing with the Mary stuff. :) But saying the pledge of allegiance does not sit well with me spiritually, as the pledge focuses on worldly stuff, not spiritual stuff.

But hey, you do you.
The pledge of allegiance is not so problematical.

And it was the Knights of Columbus who had ‘under God’ added to the pledge back in the 1950s.
 
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The pledge of allegiance is not so problematical.

And it was the Knights of Columbus who had ‘under God’ added to the pledge back in the 1950s.
You do you. For me, I stick to Matthew 5, and do not pledge oaths to worldly stuff, especially when the government in 2024 is ungodly.
 
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Major Update: So guys, I have made my decision to not partake in the Knights.

The guy told me that the Knights pledge* to the flag before every meeting at the local chapter. I will not pledge, as it goes against Matthew 5:34.

*Matthew 5:34: "But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God's throne".

The pledge for the flag reminds me of this 1919-1933 pledge the Germans had to say.

1919-1933 pledge:
"I swear loyalty to the Reich's constitution and pledge, that I as a courageous soldier always want to protect the German Reich and its legal institutions, (and) be obedient to the Reich President and to my superiors."

But hey, people have freedom to pledge, but pledges and oaths should ideally stay out of religious organizations, just as the woke crud (from the far-left) should stay far away from schools and churches.
Just curious if by that logic you would also refuse to give sworn testimony in a courtroom, even if subpoenaed?
 
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You do you. For me, I stick to Matthew 5, and do not pledge oaths to worldly stuff, especially when the government in 2024 is ungodly.
I will do me then. You can have whatever tyrannies come along. I will stand against them. I stand against them now. You may object, but I will be doing me.
 
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I will do me then. You can have whatever tyrannies come along. I will stand against them. I stand against them now. You may object, but I will be doing me.

I will do me then. You can have whatever tyrannies come along. I will stand against them. I stand against them now. You may object, but I will be doing me.
Thank you chevyontheriver

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Just curious if by that logic you would also refuse to give sworn testimony in a courtroom, even if subpoenaed?
Well, that is something you have got to do. But for everything else, nope.
 
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