On Trump's 2025 Plan, if he gets re-elected as president

Stephen3141 · Jun 11, 2024

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Trump's 2025 Plan is to simply replace the federal government, with people
who will support all his political agenda. It would make much of the federal
government into an arm of his political party.

Whether or not you support some of the positions that Trump is taking --
and there are some positions that Christians could find appealing --
Trump wishes to dismantle the federal government.

Without an impartial federal government, America would be ruled by a single
political party, and this would be DISASTROUS.

A political party is a group of people who want the same (sort of) agenda
carried out by the president. But, the current system of 2 main political
parties was NEVER contemplated by the founding fathers of America, and
they NEVER meant federal employees (such as the military, the Department
of Justice, the Treasury, Health and Human Services, Homeland Security,
etc.) to be a tool for one political party to enforce its wishes on all American
citizens. The federal government was to serve ALL CITIZENS.

We have already seen that Trump despises judges who rule against him in law suits
(Trump wants to be free of the rule of law in America, for himself), and threatens the
families of these judges, and threatens all politicians who disagree with him. In this
behavior, it is clear that Trump CANNOT live with the American democratic ideals,
of representation of ALL opinions of citizens.

Trump is seeking the end of American democracy, and wishes to bring that about
by taking over the federal government.

His goal is to avoid prosecution. He doesn't want the fair rule of law in America,
to apply to him.

We saw clearly in the January 6th hearings, that traditional Republicans testified
against Trump's lawless behavior. Observing Trump acting outside the rule of law in
America, is not a political party thing. Trump has started political behavior that is
DIRECTLY AGAINST historical Republican values, in that Trump is attacking the
fair rule of law in America.

Trump's 2025 agenda, if he is voted in as President, is to upend the fair rule of
law in America, and make it into a system of political kangaroo courts, that will
do whatever he wants.

This is not American. It is not democracy. It is not justice.
It is not compatible with historic Christian values.

HTacianas · Jun 11, 2024

Stephen3141 said:
house-democrats-project-2025-task-force-trump_n_66672287e4b0889986ac57cf

Trump's 2025 Plan is to simply replace the federal government, with people
who will support all his political agenda. It would make much of the federal
government into an arm of his political party.

Whether or not you support some of the positions that Trump is taking --
and there are some positions that Christians could find appealing --
Trump wishes to dismantle the federal government.

Without an impartial federal government, America would be ruled by a single
political party, and this would be DISASTROUS.

A political party is a group of people who want the same (sort of) agenda
carried out by the president. But, the current system of 2 main political
parties was NEVER contemplated by the founding fathers of America, and
they NEVER meant federal employees (such as the military, the Department
of Justice, the Treasury, Health and Human Services, Homeland Security,
etc.) to be a tool for one political party to enforce its wishes on all American
citizens. The federal government was to serve ALL CITIZENS.

We have already seen that Trump despises judges who rule against him in law suits
(Trump wants to be free of the rule of law in America, for himself), and threatens the
families of these judges, and threatens all politicians who disagree with him. In this
behavior, it is clear that Trump CANNOT live with the American democratic ideals,
of representation of ALL opinions of citizens.

Trump is seeking the end of American democracy, and wishes to bring that about
by taking over the federal government.

His goal is to avoid prosecution. He doesn't want the fair rule of law in America,
to apply to him.

We saw clearly in the January 6th hearings, that traditional Republicans testified
against Trump's lawless behavior. Observing Trump acting outside the rule of law in
America, is not a political party thing. Trump has started political behavior that is
DIRECTLY AGAINST historical Republican values, in that Trump is attacking the
fair rule of law in America.

Trump's 2025 agenda, if he is voted in as President, is to upend the fair rule of
law in America, and make it into a system of political kangaroo courts, that will
do whatever he wants.

This is not American. It is not democracy. It is not justice.
It is not compatible with historic Christian values.

Is this another "Trump is going to..." thing? Trump is always "going to do some thing or another" yet he never does. "We can't let him get the nuclear codes"! But he had the nuclear codes for four years and nothing became of it.

ozso · Jun 11, 2024

Right after that he'll invade Poland and then move into Czechoslovakia.

Eternally Grateful · Jun 11, 2024

Stephen3141 said:
house-democrats-project-2025-task-force-trump_n_66672287e4b0889986ac57cf

Trump's 2025 Plan is to simply replace the federal government, with people
who will support all his political agenda. It would make much of the federal
government into an arm of his political party.

Whether or not you support some of the positions that Trump is taking --
and there are some positions that Christians could find appealing --
Trump wishes to dismantle the federal government.

Without an impartial federal government, America would be ruled by a single
political party, and this would be DISASTROUS.

A political party is a group of people who want the same (sort of) agenda
carried out by the president. But, the current system of 2 main political
parties was NEVER contemplated by the founding fathers of America, and
they NEVER meant federal employees (such as the military, the Department
of Justice, the Treasury, Health and Human Services, Homeland Security,
etc.) to be a tool for one political party to enforce its wishes on all American
citizens. The federal government was to serve ALL CITIZENS.

We have already seen that Trump despises judges who rule against him in law suits
(Trump wants to be free of the rule of law in America, for himself), and threatens the
families of these judges, and threatens all politicians who disagree with him. In this
behavior, it is clear that Trump CANNOT live with the American democratic ideals,
of representation of ALL opinions of citizens.

Trump is seeking the end of American democracy, and wishes to bring that about
by taking over the federal government.

His goal is to avoid prosecution. He doesn't want the fair rule of law in America,
to apply to him.

We saw clearly in the January 6th hearings, that traditional Republicans testified
against Trump's lawless behavior. Observing Trump acting outside the rule of law in
America, is not a political party thing. Trump has started political behavior that is
DIRECTLY AGAINST historical Republican values, in that Trump is attacking the
fair rule of law in America.

Trump's 2025 agenda, if he is voted in as President, is to upend the fair rule of
law in America, and make it into a system of political kangaroo courts, that will
do whatever he wants.

This is not American. It is not democracy. It is not justice.
It is not compatible with historic Christian values.

so much like what Biden has successfully accomplished in the last 3 years.

But I guess that is ok?

rturner76 · Jun 17, 2024

I was going to post a thread on this. I'm glad one is already up. Here's a quote from the agenda:

"Federal education policy should be limited and, ultimately, the federal Department of Education should be eliminated."

Why should we support public education when if you make enough money you can just send your kids to private school?

"Federal money is inevitably accompanied by rules and regulations that keep the influx of funds from having much, if any, impact on student outcomes."

Why should we have rules and regulations in the public school system? Maybe because different states and communities have different resources? So if you come from one state you may be not as educated as someone from another state. For being staunch nationalists, why is there no pride in our nation's education?

It goes on and on to say basically if you can't afford to educate your children in private school, you better move to the burbs where they have a nice budget for education but oops, not everyone can afford the burbe who live in the inner city and rural communities. I mean really, eliminate the Department of Education? Wasn't that the department that integrated the national school system? Make America Great Again right? Let's go back to classism and racism. It would make this country so much better.

I'll be posting more jewels from this four-point manifesto. Aren't manifestos usually written by psychopaths? Don't let these people ruin our country

rturner76 · Jun 17, 2024

Therefore, to handle the pace and volatility of a airs, the Office of White House Counsel must o er measured legal guidance in a timely manner. This often means forgoing law review–style memos about esoteric legal concepts and instead quickly providing high-level yet incisive guidance.

When a new President takes o ce, he will need to decide expeditiously how to handle any major ongoing litigation or other pending legal matters that might present a challenge to his agenda.

Not the country's agenda but his personal agenda whether it be forming a theocracy or a Fascist government, we should skip all the legal checks and just blindly follow the COmmander in Cheif.

More are on the way, I can't wait to see the justification for a dictatorship in a democratic republic.

rturner76 · Jun 17, 2024

HTacianas said:
But he had the nuclear codes for four years and nothing became of it.

Despite his threats to create a nuclear winter for us all to enjoy. How about instead of threatening nuclear war we talk about peace. that would probably be too extreme.

HTacianas · Jun 17, 2024

rturner76 said:
Despite his threats to create a nuclear winter for us all to enjoy. How about instead of threatening nuclear war we talk about peace. that would probably be too extreme.

Like I said. He had the nuclear codes for four years and nothing became of it.

rturner76 · Jun 17, 2024

HTacianas said:
Like I said. He had the nuclear codes for four years and nothing became of it.

Not last time. And he did make friends with the North Korean dictator and the Russian dictator so I guess we should be safe. Have you ever heard of a democratically elected president making plans with brutal dictators? I guess that's just normal Nationalist policy.

HTacianas · Jun 17, 2024

rturner76 said:
Not last time. And he did make friends with the North Korean dictator and the Russian dictator so I guess we should be safe. Have you ever heard of a democratically elected president making plans with brutal dictators? I guess that's just normal Nationalist policy.

I remember there being no invasion of Ukraine and the President of South Korea demanding that Trump receive the Nobel Prize.

ozso · Jun 17, 2024

It went from there's too much saber rattling between Trump and Jong and WW3 is imminent, to Trump and Jong are too cozy with each other.

rturner76 · Jun 18, 2024

HTacianas said:
I remember there being no invasion of Ukraine and the President of South Korea demanding that Trump receive the Nobel Prize.

And? Did Trump win it? Of course not, he has committed too many crimes and paid out too much hush money and this manifesto will be excellent for people with money. At some point as a nation under FDR, it was decided that our country has enough money to not allow people to starve. Why return to starvation and Hoovervills?

Hazelelponi · Jun 18, 2024

rturner76 said:
Not last time. And he did make friends with the North Korean dictator and the Russian dictator so I guess we should be safe. Have you ever heard of a democratically elected president making plans with brutal dictators? I guess that's just normal Nationalist policy.

Would you like to know what Trump didn't do? He didn't push Putin into the arms of North Korea and China, and he didn't enrich and empower Iran so they were free to attack our allies and set into motion WW3

That's what Trump didn't do. You can't say the same for Biden.

We can all see with our own eyes and in real time who poses the real danger to the American people....

If foreign policy doesn't convince you just look at all the dangerous criminals and terrorists Biden is allowing unchecked into this country.

Our policies are supposed to benefit the American people - not directly harm them and our allies.

When the policies are this harmful, there's no reason for government at all.

civilwarbuff · Jun 18, 2024

So are you saying that an ELECTED president does not have the right to expect everyone in the Executive Branch to carry out his directives and policies? That it is OK for UNELECTED bureaucrats to resist what the people elected him, the president, to do? That is not a government; that is at best chaos and at worst revolution.

Rescued One · Jun 18, 2024

Ceallaigh said:
Right after that he'll invade Poland and then move into Czechoslovakia.

WHO will invade Poland? You only said "he'll." If you mean Putin, I agree.

rturner76 · Jun 18, 2024

Hazelelponi said:
He didn't push Putin into the arms of North Korea and China, and he didn't enrich and empower Iran so they were free to attack our allies and set into motion WW3

Hazelelponi said:
That's what Trump didn't do. You can't say the same for Biden.

Biden didn't push anybody into anything. A dictator does what they want to do and their cronies back there move, kind of like what Trump is trying to be here.

Hazelelponi said:
We can all see with our own eyes and in real time who poses the real danger to the American people....

Yeah, Trump unless you are rich or well-off. He cares nothing for the poor and in fact raised taxes on the lower classes while cutting them for the rich. It's not like he's paid a time of taxes for decades. He wants to eliminate the Department of Education. How will that help the next generation? Is it really fair to say you only get an education if you can afford it? That's a medieval classist mentality. Were those the good 'ol days? Where 80% of the population could barely feed themselves while the other 10% were uber ultra rich.

Hazelelponi said:
If foreign policy doesn't convince you just look at all the dangerous criminals and terrorists Biden is allowing unchecked into this country.

The whole world was laughing at Trump. My sister lives in Europe and she told me that most Europeans think the population of the US are idiots for electing such a man. The only government officials he got along with were kings and dictators. That should tell you something.

Hazelelponi said:
Our policies are supposed to benefit the American people - not directly harm them and our allies.

Then why did he extort our allies in NATO? Don't you think that directly harmed our allies? Not only that but it degraded our influence all over the world. Are you sure you don't mean that our policies should benefit WASPS and Evangelicals?

Hazelelponi said:
When the policies are this harmful, there's no reason for government at all.

Now you hit the nail on the head. He doesn't want a democracy, he wants people to pick up their assault rifles and make a whole new Anarchist/Fascist government. Anarchists by letting people hold their own courts with no government oversight and Fascist as he wants to make sure corporate America controls the people. With the corporations and their private armies, he might even success but my hope is that the joint cheifs of staff stay in control of the national military

Hazelelponi · Jun 18, 2024

rturner76 said:
Biden didn't push anybody into anything

Human nature.

You believe the speech of a politician can start a riot, but political moves that encroach upon previously neutral territory on the doorstep of a dictator doesn't provoke negative behaviors that may not have otherwise occurred?

It's human nature, and dictators are pretty basic. They aren't that complicated to figure out.

Stephen3141 · Jun 18, 2024

HTacianas said:
Is this another "Trump is going to..." thing? Trump is always "going to do some thing or another" yet he never does. "We can't let him get the nuclear codes"! But he had the nuclear codes for four years and nothing became of it.

No, it is not ME doing the asserting.
It is Donald Trump, openly saying what he is going to do, if he is elected President.

(I still have not given ANY personal assessment of what Donald Trump will do,
if he is elected President in 2024.)

rturner76 · Jun 18, 2024

Hazelelponi said:
You believe the speech of a politician can start a riot,

Not just that but his often osycopath followers. For example, my sister retired to Flordia (during winter) and her usually friendly neighbor came up to the yard where she and her husband were working. The lady asked, "Don't you think that Trump could be our savior?" Her husband replied, "Yeah if I was a lunatic" and he actually votes conservative most of the time but he wisely decided that Donald Trump was a megalomaniac narcissist moron so I don't know who he votes for, probably some independent because he's not into progressivism or Conservative lunatics Two years later she still has not said one word to them. Conservative politicians are all about "it's US versus THEM." "We can't give an inch of ground and it is more often that Progressive politicians are willing to come together and compromise but not with the extremist agenda they are pushing. Dismantling Federal support of the public school system. States like mine would still be fine but what about poor states like Mississippi? States like that have politicians that believe if you can't afford to send your kids to private school educate them at home. People have to work. Nobody has ever proposed such a devistation of national standards in education.

Hazelelponi said:
It's human nature, and dictators are pretty basic. They aren't that complicated to figure out.

So you support dictatorship? That's what Trump wants and he's willing to give the Evangelicals what they want in order to accomplish this. A Theocracy instead of a Democracy.

Postvieww · Jun 20, 2024

rturner76 said:
"Federal education policy should be limited and, ultimately, the federal Department of Education should be eliminated."

Why should not this leftist propaganda arm of the federal government be eliminated? The department of education is long gone from any useful purpose. It is more concerned with bathroom agendas and encouraging children they can be whatever sex they want than teaching education fundamentals. Many can not read or do math up to grade level but girls think they can be boys and boys think they can be girls. Many are no longer taught cursive writing they can’t even sign their name. History is being rewritten , climate fear propaganda is shoved down their throats. The department of education is no longer concerned with legitimate education so it should be eliminated.

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