Time on earth could be used for purging

WarriorAngel · Jun 1, 2024

For instance, take St mother Theresa and her feeling the absence of the Lord as her great trial after committing her life to making him happy by loving others. She originally felt him and the love, and then she did not. I do not think the Lord intended for her to be upset by it but rather. To use it. To miss him. To be put through a tough time desiring His love.

The souls in purgatory, have one thing in common, at judgment, feeling the presence of the Lord, his love, and then their Ardent desire to return to him.

fide · Jun 2, 2024

Yes, it is good to remember the old Catholic adage: "Don't waste sufferings - offer them up." Better now, when and where we can grow in merit, than later when we can not.

WarriorAngel · Jun 2, 2024

fide said:
Yes, it is good to remember the old Catholic adage: "Don't waste sufferings - offer them up." Better now, when and where we can grow in merit, than later when we can not.

Indeed. True.

I pray the litany of souls in purgatory and it is really sobering.
So many sins.

I watched a video of a woman who saw a guy she knew who went to hell. He was too worldly.
So perhaps in the end - the last call - he did not respond to changing his apathy.

One thing I notice is that Saints live for the Lord. Absolutely want His Presence and to love Him and want to be with Him and make Him happy.
So sometimes, in some ways like the dark nights, He wants trust. So we 'clean off' the wants of the world because we're keeping on...

fide · Jun 2, 2024

WarriorAngel said:
Indeed. True.

I pray the litany of souls in purgatory and it is really sobering.
So many sins.

I watched a video of a woman who saw a guy she knew who went to hell. He was too worldly.
So perhaps in the end - the last call - he did not respond to changing his apathy.

One thing I notice is that Saints live for the Lord. Absolutely want His Presence and to love Him and want to be with Him and make Him happy.
So sometimes, in some ways like the dark nights, He wants trust. So we 'clean off' the wants of the world because we're keeping on...

Yes, and I think it is true that dark nights make saints. The dark nights bring sufferings of many kinds - situations we cannot "solve" - destruction or at least major weakening of our favorite idolatries - and an interior strengthening of supernatural - finally, supernatural - virtues within. Dark nights are bridges to the supernatural.

WarriorAngel · Jun 3, 2024

fide said:
Yes, and I think it is true that dark nights make saints. The dark nights bring sufferings of many kinds - situations we cannot "solve" - destruction or at least major weakening of our favorite idolatries - and an interior strengthening of supernatural - finally, supernatural - virtues within. Dark nights are bridges to the supernatural.

The fire of the Silversmith who puts the faithful through the trials.

fide · Jun 4, 2024

WarriorAngel said:
Indeed. True.

I pray the litany of souls in purgatory and it is really sobering.
So many sins.

I watched a video of a woman who saw a guy she knew who went to hell. He was too worldly.
So perhaps in the end - the last call - he did not respond to changing his apathy.

One thing I notice is that Saints live for the Lord. Absolutely want His Presence and to love Him and want to be with Him and make Him happy.
So sometimes, in some ways like the dark nights, He wants trust. So we 'clean off' the wants of the world because we're keeping on...

The connection between purgatory and the Dark Nights of the Interior Life is good to see, and understand: Both are works of God, not our own. Both purify the soul beyond what the person can do for himself even through the ordinary graces received through the sacraments and prayer. Both are rightly called "passive purifications" - in which we can do only one thing: to patiently, faithfully persevere through them until God allows them to cease. Before the Dark Nights, we must do all that we can, to intentionally and persistently resist and renounce all the worldliness that we can - but some is too deeply rooted for us to reach! In the passive purgations, God is the active one, doing to us and in us what we cannot do for or by ourselves. The Dark Nights can make true humility in our souls.

John of the Cross explains, in one example:

“The soul, however, cannot be perfectly purified from these imperfections, any more than from the others, until God shall have led it into the passive purgation of the dark night, which I shall speak of immediately. But it is expedient that the soul, so far as it can, should labor, on its own part, to purify and perfect itself, that it may merit from God to be taken under His divine care, and be healed from those imperfections which of itself it cannot remedy. For, after all the efforts of the soul, it cannot by any exertions of its own actively purify itself so as to be in the slightest degree fit for the divine union of perfection in the love of God, if God Himself does not take it into His own hands and purify it in the fire, dark to the soul.” (The Dark Night, Bk. I, chap. 3.)

Chrystal-J · Jun 4, 2024

fide said:
Yes, it is good to remember the old Catholic adage: "Don't waste sufferings - offer them up." Better now, when and where we can grow in merit, than later when we can not.

Jesus came to me in a dream and told me to "Offer up my sufferings" for someone. I totally agree that it is a way to grow closer to the Lord.

WarriorAngel · Jun 4, 2024

fide said:
The connection between purgatory and the Dark Nights of the Interior Life is good to see, and understand: Both are works of God, not our own. Both purify the soul beyond what the person can do for himself even through the ordinary graces received through the sacraments and prayer. Both are rightly called "passive purifications" - in which we can do only one thing: to patiently, faithfully persevere through them until God allows them to cease. Before the Dark Nights, we must do all that we can, to intentionally and persistently resist and renounce all the worldliness that we can - but some is too deeply rooted for us to reach! In the passive purgations, God is the active one, doing to us and in us what we cannot do for or by ourselves. The Dark Nights can make true humility in our souls.

John of the Cross explains, in one example:

We are recipients of the graces to get through it.
For we can do nothing of ourselves but cooperate with HIS gifts and help.
Prayer and steadfast.
Getting back up. Still believing and knowing the fire had it's purpose.

WarriorAngel · Jun 4, 2024

I've had a long time in the dark.
Maybe to help others we need knocked off our self proclaimed pedestals?

Humbled - that's the desired outcome.
And OMGosh that's hard.

fide · Jun 5, 2024

WarriorAngel said:
I've had a long time in the dark.
Maybe to help others we need knocked off our self proclaimed pedestals?

Humbled - that's the desired outcome.
And OMGosh that's hard.

This is a photo of a slide used in a Presentation on the (1st) Dark Night - the Night of the Senses - as described by John of the Cross. The senses of darkness are listed on the first column, and the infused supernatural Gifts of the Spirit which are awakening are on the second column. St. John emphasized that for this experience to be the authentic "Dark Night of the Senses", and not anything less, all three listed must be present, in the same "time" or "moment" or "experience" (which may last for many months).

The Presentation was by the author of the (helpful) book on Catholic spirituality, R. Thomas Richard, "The Ordinary Path to Holiness."

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WarriorAngel · Jun 8, 2024

fide said:
This is a photo of a slide used in a Presentation on the (1st) Dark Night - the Night of the Senses - as described by John of the Cross. The senses of darkness are listed on the right column, and the infused supernatural Gifts of the Spirit which are awakening are on the left. St. John emphasized that for this experience to be the authentic "Dark Night of the Senses", and not anything less, all three listed must be present, in the same "time" or "moment" or "experience" (which may last for many months).

The Presentation was by the author of the (helpful) book on Catholic spirituality, R. Thomas Richard, "The Ordinary Path to Holiness."

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In my experience I/we all want Heaven but acknowledge I/we have to go to purgatory first for luke warmness or apathy of our sins.
Sins become evident through suffering but the desire to not sin is the fruitful journey.
I/we have to accept the darkness as a purging fire while alive.
I/we have and should have learned that faith, hope and love are absolutely gifts of the Lord and to not be self absorbed to feel as though I/we can do those things myself/ourselves.

The more we self accept and offer up the dark the closer we draw to the light.
And in all things - through the Precious Blood of Jesus do we pray for His aid.

WarriorAngel · Jun 8, 2024

If we take a page out of a suffering souls handbook [post death] they have these in common.

1. So lucky for mercy.
2. I deserve to purge for His Holiness is unfathomable on earth.
3. It's my darkness I must suffer in til I can obtain the Light.
4. Please help me, pray for me my loved ones or sympathetic militant.
5. Rather do time than have complete loss.

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