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Trump Has Few Ways To Overturn His Conviction

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Trump Has Few Ways to Overturn His Conviction as a New York Felon

NYT - Mr. Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee, is banking on the jury not having the final word on the case. He has already outlined a plan to appeal a verdict that on Friday he labeled “a scam.” But even if the former — and possibly future — president could persuade voters to ignore his conviction, the appellate courts might not be so sympathetic. Several legal experts cast doubt on his chances of success, and noted that the case could take years to snake through the courts, all but ensuring he will still be a felon when voters head to the polls in November.

The former president’s supporters are calling on the U.S. Supreme Court to intervene, though that is highly unlikely. In a more likely appeal to a New York court, Mr. Trump would have avenues to attack the conviction, the experts said, but far fewer than he has claimed. The experts noted that the judge, whose rulings helped shape the case, stripped some of the prosecution’s most precarious arguments and evidence from the trial. The appeal will be a referendum on the judge, Juan M. Merchan, who steered the trial through political and legal minefields even as Mr. Trump hurled invective at him and his family. Justice Merchan, a no-nonsense former prosecutor, said that he was keenly aware “and protective of” Mr. Trump’s rights, including his right to “defend himself against political attacks.”

Mark Zauderer, a veteran New York litigator who sits on a committee that screens applicants for the same court that will hear Mr. Trump’s appeal, said that Justice Merchan avoided pitfalls that often doom convictions. “This case has none of the usual red flags for reversal on appeal,” Mr. Zauderer said. “The judge’s demeanor was flawless.”

Mr. Trump might also have a final option: the U.S. Supreme Court. Mr. Trump, who already tried and failed to move the case to federal court, could try again if he were elected. It would be a long shot. Procedurally, it is exceedingly difficult for a state defendant to reach the Supreme Court without exhausting state appeals. “This is a garden-variety state court conviction,” Mr. Zauderer said. “I don't see a plausible path to the Supreme Court.”
 
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And yet a poster here provided a list of like a dozen reasons for appeal! Who to believe?
Law is like medicine. Everyone thinks they know better than people who are actually trained in this sort of thing.
 
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And yet a poster here provided a list of like a dozen reasons for appeal! Who to believe?

The poster clearly. Donald Trump used his lawyer to pay off someone and look what that got him.
 
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After November it won't matter that much. Either he will stay on probation, wait for his appeals or lose the election. Many politicians have done far worse than these charges. Biden has many scandals, and likely many know he is not fit for President yet they do not follow the constitutional path to remove him for incompetency. Likely he fades in and out, but still it puts the country at risk and is FAR more serious than anything Trump may have done. Just remember, 6 minutes to decide to return a first strike nuclear attack. I hope Biden is up to the task if it is needed.
 
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SMH. What people will believe.
DA Bragg made an airtight case. Judge Merchan was very careful to avoid any possible reasons for mistrial.
When dealing with high paid lawyers of a guilty defendant, desperate to exploit the most miniscule mistake, you have to be prepared.
They make me proud to be a New Yorker (by birth.)
 
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SMH. What people will believe.
DA Bragg made an airtight case. Judge Merchan was very careful to avoid any possible reasons for mistrial.
When dealing with high paid lawyers of a guilty defendant, desperate to exploit the most miniscule mistake, you have to be prepared.
They make me proud to be a New Yorker (by birth.)


It doesn’t matter what Bragg did. There are Christians on this board that could be told by Jesus Christ himself that Trump was guilt and they would immediately call Jesus “woke” and burn their Bibles. Their hearts belong to Trump now and not even God on High will change that.
 
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And yet a poster here provided a list of like a dozen reasons for appeal! Who to believe?
I understand that the Supreme Court’s ruling on the January 6th offenders may have implications on this case. Something about overreach in the way a charge was created
 
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It doesn’t matter what Bragg did. There are Christians on this board that could be told by Jesus Christ himself that Trump was guilt and they would immediately call Jesus “woke” and burn their Bibles. Their hearts belong to Trump now and not even God on High will change that.
And there are Christians on this forum that could be told by Jesus himself that Trump was wrongfully convicted and they would call Jesus a Maga Republican. Their hatred for Trump is that strong
 
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I understand that the Supreme Court’s ruling on the January 6th offenders may have implications on this case. Something about overreach in the way a charge was created
On this case? Not a thing. It's not even the same legal code. This case -- NY legal code. The SC ruling -- Federal obstruction statute. Not even remotely related. It doesn't even impact Trump for his DC federal case charged under that statute as Trump is charged with interfering with the documents in the proceeding and most DC rioters weren't.
 
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On this case? Not a thing. It's not even the same legal code. This case -- NY legal code. The SC ruling -- Federal obstruction statute. Not even remotely related. It doesn't even impact Trump for his DC federal case charged under that statute as Trump is charged with interfering with the documents in the proceeding and most DC rioters weren't.
Some legal scholars disagree. It’s the way the charges were upgraded.
 
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Some legal scholars disagree. It’s the way the charges were upgraded.
How does that have anything to do with the usage of "or otherwise" in joining subsection (1) to subsection(2) of 18 USC 1512(c)?
 
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Some legal scholars disagree. It’s the way the charges were upgraded.
That makes no sense to me. The SCOTUS case was a clear cut case of statutory interpretation of a specific portion of the US Code. That has nothing to do with New York Penal Law, which was what Trump was convicted under. COuld you share some of these disagreements with us?
 
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That makes no sense to me. The SCOTUS case was a clear cut case of statutory interpretation of a specific portion of the US Code. That has nothing to do with New York Penal Law, which was what Trump was convicted under. COuld you share some of these disagreements with us?
Dershowitz is the one that said it.
 
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Dershowitz is the one that said it.
Interesting. While Dershowitz has offered some interesting hot takes in defense of Trump in the past, this sounds like too fundamental an error for him. I tried googling it to see what he said exactly and I can't find anything.
 
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Interesting. While Dershowitz has offered some interesting hot takes in defense of Trump in the past, this sounds like too fundamental an error for him. I tried googling it to see what he said exactly and I can't find anything.
I couldn’t find it either. He said it on an interview.
 
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