MANY BELIEVE THAT WE ARE THE BRIDE OF CHRIST ?

Dan Perez · May 30, 2024

And if anyone believes that all people saved today and in some ways are PLACED into the BRIDE OF CHRIST , does anyone have a verse that prove it with a verse ?

dan p

Maria Billingsley · May 31, 2024

Dan Perez said:
And if anyone believes that all people saved today and in some ways are PLACED into the BRIDE OF CHRIST , does anyone have a verse that proof it with a verse ?

dan p

The Bride is the New Jerusalem and it's inhabitants are all who are in the Body of Christ aka the Bride.
Revelation 21 gives us the details.
Blessings.

Dan Perez · May 31, 2024

Maria Billingsley said:
The Bride is the New Jerusalem and it's inhabitants are all who are in the Body of Christ aka the Bride.
Revelation 21 gives us the details.
Blessings.

I have wondered just how we ARE // ESTE , which is in the Greek present tense .

Does that means that will not be taken to heaven and GOVERN God's UNIVERSE and also Govern ANGELS , as written in 1 Cor 6:2 and 3 ??

dan p

Maria Billingsley · May 31, 2024

Dan Perez said:
I have wondered just how we ARE // ESTE , which is in the Greek present tense .

Does that means that will not be taken to heaven and GOVERN God's UNIVERSE and also Govern ANGELS , as written in 1 Cor 6:2 and 3 ??

dan p

We serve.

Clare73 · Jun 1, 2024

Dan Perez said:
And if anyone believes that all people saved today

All people are not saved, only those of faith in Christ are saved.

Dan Perez said:
and in some ways are PLACED into the BRIDE OF CHRIST , does anyone have a verse that proof it with a verse ?

It comes with faith in Christ, which is remission of sin, salvation, sonship of God, and bride of Christ.
Christ is head of the church, his body (of Christ), in the two-in-one enfleshment of the marital union (Eph 5:23, 31-32).

Dan Perez · Jun 1, 2024

Maria Billingsley said:
The Bride is the New Jerusalem and it's inhabitants are all who are in the Body of Christ aka the Bride.
Revelation 21 gives us the details.
Blessings.

And Rev 21 :1 - 2 and on , just shows to me , that verse , called the NEW JERUSALEM , will on the new earth .

We , the Body of Christ ARE CHRIST BODY as written in 1 Cor 12;15-17 and many will come from the WEST and the EASY to see Abraham , and Isaac and Jacob , in the Kingdom of Heaven , Matt 8:11 .

dan p

Diamond72 · Jun 1, 2024

Dan Perez said:
And if anyone believes that all people saved today and in some ways are PLACED into the BRIDE OF CHRIST , does anyone have a verse that proof it with a verse ?

In this case we have to determine who is not saved. We are told those who do not have oil in their lamp. They do not have the Holy Spirit of God. So only Spirit filled Christians are qualified. Some people say they will be left behind during the tribulation period and they will have to be martyred for their faith. This is a popular theme in some christian moves and books.

Dan Perez · Jun 3, 2024

Diamond7 said:
In this case we have to determine who is not saved. We are told those who do not have oil in their lamp. They do not have the Holy Spirit of God. So only Spirit filled Christians are qualified. Some people say they will be left behind during the tribulation period and they will have to be martyred for their faith. This is a popular theme in some christian moves and books.

Dan Perez · Jun 3, 2024

It to hard to picture a believer of today carrying a LAMP full of OIL , just saying .

We do know the God's Spirit , bears witness that we are the son's of God , in Rom 8:16 .

dan p

Diamond72 · Jun 3, 2024

Dan Perez said:
It to hard to picture a believer of today carrying a LAMP full of OIL , just saying .

That is the literal Bible. It is hard to picture a day in Genesis 1 being 24 hours. This is a teaching technique they teach us in teachers training. People remember the story because they can get a mental image of a lamp with oil in it. Even though the real meaning is symbolic.

Dan Perez · Jun 3, 2024

Diamond7 said:
That is the literal Bible. It is hard to picture a day in Genesis 1 being 24 hours. This is a teaching technique they teach us in teachers training. People remember the story because they can get a mental image of a lamp with oil in it. Even though the real meaning is symbolic.

And I do believe in a Literal translation BUT there HUNDREDS of Parables , Ellipsis , Metonymy ,Allegory and Oxymorons in the Bible .

And I see that you call your self a DISPENSATIONALIST , and just what does that mean , just asking ?

dan p

Diamond72 · Jun 3, 2024

Dan Perez said:
And I do believe in a Literal translation BUT there HUNDREDS of Parables , Ellipsis , Metonymy ,Allegory and Oxymorons in the Bible .

We are taught if they give a persons name it is a real person. If there is no name then it is just a story.

Dan Perez said:
And I see that you call your self a DISPENSATIONALIST

This is the most easy to explain. Moses tells us in Psalms that a day is 1,000 years. So we go back 12995 years ago. This is when there was a major extinction. For example the Wholly Mammoths and the Saber tooth tigers died perhaps because of global warming. There was something here before but this is the age or era that we currently live in. They talk about dispensations. The church age is a two day dispensation. We can read the scriptures that talk about the third day which is the 1,000 year reign of Christ.

In the previous age man was a hunter gather, There were no cities only camping sites. There is a huge overwhelming amount of Science that took place 6,000 years ago. They want to know how civilization spread from the middle east to Europe. Then of course there is the silk highway, which is still there today. So civilization spread east also. My son is 1/3 northern China which means he has a lot of Mongolian in him. But he identifies with the Philippines because that is the culture his mother is from.

Dan Perez · Jun 3, 2024

Diamond7 said:
We are taught if they give a persons name it is a real person. If there is no name then it is just a story.

This is the most easy to explain. Moses tells us in Psalms that a day is 1,000 years. So we go back 12995 years ago. This is when there was a major extinction. For example the Wholly Mammoths and the Saber tooth tigers died perhaps because of global warming. There was something here before but this is the age or era that we currently live in. They talk about dispensations. The church age is a two day dispensation. We can read the scriptures that talk about the third day which is the 1,000 year reign of Christ.

In the previous age man was a hunter gather, There were no cities only camping sites. There is a huge overwhelming amount of Science that took place 6,000 years ago. They want to know how civilization spread from the middle east to Europe. Then of course there is the silk highway, which is still there today. So civilization spread east also. My son is 1/3 northern China which means he has a lot of Mongolian in him. But he identifies with the Philippines because that is the culture his mother is from.

And the Greek word DISPENSATION // OIKONOMIA and this appears only in Eph 1:10

and in 1 Tim 1:4 and the word EDIFYING is the Greek word OIKONOMIA which is in FAITH ,

in Eph 3:2

In Eph 3:9

in 1 Cor 9:17

and in Luke 16:2 and 3 where it was translated STEWARDSHIP , but the Greek word is DISPENSATION .

OIKO , means HOUSE

NOMOS ,means LAW .

Then what are the HOUSE LAWS ?

dan p

Marilyn C · Jun 24, 2024

Dan Perez said:
And Rev 21 :1 - 2 and on , just shows to me , that verse , called the NEW JERUSALEM , will on the new earth .

We , the Body of Christ ARE CHRIST BODY as written in 1 Cor 12;15-17 and many will come from the WEST and the EASY to see Abraham , and Isaac and Jacob , in the Kingdom of Heaven , Matt 8:11 .

dan p

Hi Dan,

Actually the New jerusalem will be in the `principalities and powers` realm, the Universe. You see the earth revolves and thus all can walk in its light.

`And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, ...` (Rev. 21: 24)

The New Jerusalem is the Lord`s government in the universal realm. Each realm will have his government under Him.

Dan Perez · Jun 25, 2024

Marilyn C said:
Hi Dan,

Actually the New jerusalem will be in the `principalities and powers` realm, the Universe. You see the earth revolves and thus all can walk in its light.

`And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, ...` (Rev. 21: 24)

The New Jerusalem is the Lord`s government in the universal realm. Each realm will have his government under Him.

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I wish that I could put diagrams as you have done !! BUT , who will GOVERN the Universe is going to be THE BODY OF CHRIST and 1 Cor 6:2 and 3 !!

In verse 2 the B O C will GOVERN God's UNIVERSE and not Israel !!

In verse 3 we will GOVERN ANGELS .

And Paul in 1 Cor 5: 1-13 you have to know how to Judge , and as verse Rom 5:12 and 13 you better learn how to Judge ,
otherwise what good are you ?

danp

Marilyn C · Jun 25, 2024

Dan Perez said:
I wish that I could put diagrams as you have done !! BUT , who will GOVERN the Universe is going to be THE BODY OF CHRIST and 1 Cor 6:2 and 3 !!

In verse 2 the B O C will GOVERN God's UNOVERSE and not Israel !!

In verse 3 we will GOVERN ANGELS .

And Paul in 1 Cor 5: 1-13 you have to know how to Judge , and as verse Rom 5:12 and 13 you better learn how to Judge ,
otherwise what good are you ?

danp

Hi dan,

Yes, I agree that we will judge (fallen) angels and the world system, (in the trib.)

Remember that the Lord`s seat of power and authority is in the third heaven, and that is where His Body will rule and reign from. (Rev. 4: 2 - 4)

Doug Brents · Jun 26, 2024

Dan Perez said:
And if anyone believes that all people saved today and in some ways are PLACED into the BRIDE OF CHRIST , does anyone have a verse that proof it with a verse ?

dan p

Eph 5:22-32
Rev 19:7
John 14:1-3
1 Cor 11:2

Marilyn C · Jun 26, 2024

Doug Brents said:
Eph 5:22-32
Rev 19:7
John 14:1-3
1 Cor 11:2

May I answer too?

Eph. 5: 22 - 32 is an exhortation to men to love their wives as their own body, as Christ loves His Body.

`For we are members of Hid body, of His flesh and of His bones.` (Eph. 5: 30)

In chapters 1 - 4 Paul has laid out the doctrine of the Body - the new Man, the perfect Man, and in chs. 5 & 6 Paul is just writing about practical relationships. he is not writing a new doctrine on the New Man being also female.

Rev. 19: 7 This refers to the `wife,` which in scripture is Israel. (Isa. 54: 5 & 6)

John 14: 1 - 3 There is nothing about a female Body there.

2 Cor. 11: 2 Paul is talking specifically to his disciples want to present them to the Lord, pure. Paul does not present us to the Lord for it is the Lord Himself who will present us to Himself.

`Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling and PRESENT YOU FAULTLESS BEFORE THE presence of His glory with exceeding joy.` (Jude 24)

Doug Brents · Jun 27, 2024

Marilyn C said:
May I answer too?

Eph. 5: 22 - 32 is an exhortation to men to love their wives as their own body, as Christ loves His Body.

`For we are members of Hid body, of His flesh and of His bones.` (Eph. 5: 30)

You miss the point of Paul's statement. Verse 32 says that he is speaking about Jesus and the Church, but using the marriage relationship as an example, a demonstration, of how Jesus loves us.

Marilyn C said:
Rev. 19: 7 This refers to the `wife,` which in scripture is Israel. (Isa. 54: 5 & 6)

Spiritual Israel (the Church)? yes. The biological nation of Israel? No.

Marilyn C said:
John 14: 1 - 3 There is nothing about a female Body there.

God is always personified in Scripture as a male. The Church is His bride, therefore the Church is always depicted as a female entity. The Church is the Bride to Jesus' Bridegroom.

Do you understand the wedding language that Jesus is using in John 14:1-3? If you do not, then I will enlighten you. Let me know.

Marilyn C said:
2 Cor. 11: 2 Paul is talking specifically to his disciples want to present them to the Lord, pure. Paul does not present us to the Lord for it is the Lord Himself who will present us to Himself.

`Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling and PRESENT YOU FAULTLESS BEFORE THE presence of His glory with exceeding joy.` (Jude 24)

Just as a matchmaker brings a young man and young woman together to become betrothed to each other, so Paul (and every minister of the Gospel) seeks out people to become part of the Bride of Christ. Yes, Jesus will present the Church to Himself when it is complete, but Paul is saying that he taught these people the Gospel, and presented them to Christ as part of His Bride (the Church).

Dan Perez · Jun 27, 2024

Doug Brents said:
You miss the point of Paul's statement. Verse 32 says that he is speaking about Jesus and the Church, but using the marriage relationship as an example, a demonstration, of how Jesus loves us.

Spiritual Israel (the Church)? yes. The biological nation of Israel? No.

God is always personified in Scripture as a male. The Church is His bride, therefore the Church is always depicted as a female entity. The Church is the Bride to Jesus' Bridegroom.

Do you understand the wedding language that Jesus is using in John 14:1-3? If you do not, then I will enlighten you. Let me know.

Just as a matchmaker brings a young man and young woman together to become betrothed to each other, so Paul (and every minister of the Gospel) seeks out people to become part of the Bride of Christ. Yes, Jesus will present the Church to Himself when it is complete, but Paul is saying that he taught these people the Gospel, and presented them to Christ as part of His Bride (the Church).

And Marilyn C , did quote a good verse , Eph 5:30 and here is what it MEANS !!

# 1 WE ARE // ESMEN , is in the Greek PRESENT TENSE , that we are forever members of his Body and also in thr INDICATIVE MOOD , means you better believe it and is in the PLURAL .

# 2 MEMBERS // MELOS , is in the Nominative Case , meaning members is the Subject and in the Greek Neuter , meaning Male and Female .

# 3 OF HIS // AUTOS is a Personal Possessive Pronoun , in the Genitive Case , meaning the case of Description and in the Singular

# 4 Body // Soma , in the Genitive Case , means the Description of his body in 1 Cor 12:15-17 , in the Singular in the Neuter , meaning Male and Female .

# 5 His // Autos , in the Personal Possessive Pronoun , in the Genitive Case , see # 3

# 6 Bones // Osteon , also in the Genitive Case , in the Plural and in the Neuter , meaning Male and Female .

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