Only 1 in 3 US adults think Trump acted illegally in New York hush money case, AP-NORC poll shows

Valletta · Apr 20, 2024

Yet, a cloud of doubt hangs over all the proceedings. Only about 3 in 10 Americans feel that any of the prosecutors who have brought charges against Trump are treating the former president fairly. And only about 2 in 10 Americans are extremely or very confident that the judges and jurors in the cases against him can be fair and impartial.

“It’s very obvious political persecution,” said Christopher Ruff, a 46-year-old political independent and museum curator from Sanford, North Carolina. “I’m no fan of Trump in any way, shape or form. Didn’t vote for him, never will. But it’s obviously all political.”

Only 1 in 3 US adults think Trump acted illegally in New York hush money case, AP-NORC poll shows

A poll shows the first criminal trial facing former President Donald Trump is also the one in which Americans are least convinced he committed a crime

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It's disturbing that one third of the people think Trump is guilty. Obviously there are a number of areas like New York City where people get almost all of their news from the same biased sources. It would have been interesting to ask that one third how many knew that the statute of limitations had run out on any misdemeanor charge and that those out to get Trump somehow twisted it into a felony charge.

Occams Barber · Apr 20, 2024

Valletta said:
Yet, a cloud of doubt hangs over all the proceedings. Only about 3 in 10 Americans feel that any of the prosecutors who have brought charges against Trump are treating the former president fairly. And only about 2 in 10 Americans are extremely or very confident that the judges and jurors in the cases against him can be fair and impartial.

“It’s very obvious political persecution,” said Christopher Ruff, a 46-year-old political independent and museum curator from Sanford, North Carolina. “I’m no fan of Trump in any way, shape or form. Didn’t vote for him, never will. But it’s obviously all political.”

Only 1 in 3 US adults think Trump acted illegally in New York hush money case, AP-NORC poll shows

A poll shows the first criminal trial facing former President Donald Trump is also the one in which Americans are least convinced he committed a crime

abcnews.go.com

It's disturbing that one third of the people think Trump is guilty. Obviously there are a number of areas like New York City where people get almost all of their news from the same biased sources. It would have been interesting to ask that one third how many knew that the statute of limitations had run out on any misdemeanor charge and that those out to get Trump somehow twisted it into a felony charge.

Fortunately, your legal system does not decide guilt or innocence based on uninformed public opinion.

OB

Valletta · Apr 20, 2024

Occams Barber said:
Fortunately, your legal system does not decide guilt or innocence based on uninformed public opinion.

OB

Unfortunately a number of that one third may be jurors. I don't think Trump can get a fair trial in that location.

A2SG · Apr 20, 2024

Valletta said:
Unfortunately a number of that one third may be jurors.

By that logic, so would a number of the two thirds of people in New York who don't think Trump acted illegally. Seems to me, by that math, the odds are two to one in his favor.

Assuming, of course, it works that way.

Valletta said:
I don't think Trump can get a fair trial in that location.

Maybe he should have thought of that before he committed the act in that jurisdiction.

-- A2SG, crimes are tried where they happened, let's not forget.....

Occams Barber · Apr 20, 2024

Valletta said:
Unfortunately a number of that one third may be jurors. I don't think Trump can get a fair trial in that location.

You need to look at your own figures.

Based on the numbers you've given us

Only about 3 in 10 Americans feel that any of the prosecutors who have brought charges against Trump are treating the former president fairly - therefore a 7 in 10 majority believe Trump is being treated unfairly

And only about 2 in 10 Americans are extremely or very confident that the judges and jurors in the cases against him can be fair and impartial. - therefore 8 in 10 are not confident that Trump can be treated impartially

If Trump's guilt is to be based on public opinion, as you seem to be suggesting, you have just argued that Trump will win.

OB

Valletta · Apr 20, 2024

Occams Barber said:
You need to look at your own figures.

Based on the numbers you've given us

Only about 3 in 10 Americans feel that any of the prosecutors who have brought charges against Trump are treating the former president fairly - therefore a 7 in 10 majority believe Trump is being treated unfairly

And only about 2 in 10 Americans are extremely or very confident that the judges and jurors in the cases against him can be fair and impartial. - therefore 8 in 10 are not confident that Trump can be treated impartially

If Trump's guilt is to be based on public opinion, as you seem to be suggesting, you have just argued that Trump will win.

OB

The trial is in New York. The poll was for the entire United States.

Bradskii · Apr 20, 2024

Valletta said:
Unfortunately a number of that one third may be jurors. I don't think Trump can get a fair trial in that location.

So I guess that you think that a fair trial would be one where he has more supporters.

Have a think about that for a while.

Desk trauma · Apr 20, 2024

Oh, polls are to be believed today?

Valletta · Apr 20, 2024

Bradskii said:
So I guess that you think that a fair trial would be one where he has more supporters.

Have a think about that for a while.

No, an unbiased jury. No one has ever before been convicted in such circumstances. Alan Dershowitz, who does not like Trump at all and absolutely will not vote for him, said of all of the criminal cases he has seen brought in his sixty years of practicing law, he has never before seen such a weak case. Even with a heavily left-leaning media in this country, most people realize there is something very wrong going on.

wing2000 · Apr 20, 2024

Valletta said:
Unfortunately a number of that one third may be jurors. I don't think Trump can get a fair trial in that location.

Your lack of faith in your fellow citizens ability to cast a verdict based on the evidence presented is noted.

Curiously, earlier this week, you were praising the system. Now that the jury has been selected, you change your tune.

iluvatar5150 · Apr 20, 2024

Valletta said:
Yet, a cloud of doubt hangs over all the proceedings. Only about 3 in 10 Americans feel that any of the prosecutors who have brought charges against Trump are treating the former president fairly. And only about 2 in 10 Americans are extremely or very confident that the judges and jurors in the cases against him can be fair and impartial.

One in 12 Americans think they could beat up a lion.

Valletta · Apr 20, 2024

wing2000 said:
Your lack of faith in your fellow citizens ability to cast a verdict based on the evidence presented is noted.

Curiously, earlier this week, you were praising the system. Now that the jury has been selected, you change your tune.

There were plenty of honest citizens who stated they were biased. Good for them. But unfortunately a smaller percentage of populations is dishonest. And in a heavily biased area chances are many will end up jurors. That's the reason for something called a "change of venue."

Hazelelponi · Apr 20, 2024

Valletta said:
Yet, a cloud of doubt hangs over all the proceedings. Only about 3 in 10 Americans feel that any of the prosecutors who have brought charges against Trump are treating the former president fairly. And only about 2 in 10 Americans are extremely or very confident that the judges and jurors in the cases against him can be fair and impartial.

“It’s very obvious political persecution,” said Christopher Ruff, a 46-year-old political independent and museum curator from Sanford, North Carolina. “I’m no fan of Trump in any way, shape or form. Didn’t vote for him, never will. But it’s obviously all political.”

Only 1 in 3 US adults think Trump acted illegally in New York hush money case, AP-NORC poll shows

A poll shows the first criminal trial facing former President Donald Trump is also the one in which Americans are least convinced he committed a crime

abcnews.go.com

It's disturbing that one third of the people think Trump is guilty. Obviously there are a number of areas like New York City where people get almost all of their news from the same biased sources. It would have been interesting to ask that one third how many knew that the statute of limitations had run out on any misdemeanor charge and that those out to get Trump somehow twisted it into a felony charge.

Firstly this case should never have been brought, but that point aside as it's moot:

There's no jury anywhere that can be impartial to a former president. None.

Jury's are picked from the voter rolls, and if you didn't vote it was because you couldn't stand any choice, if you voted for him you liked him, and if you voted for someone else you hate him.

There's no impartiality in that. The best you could possibly do is take it to a swing state where it'll be a decent mix of voters.

wing2000 · Apr 20, 2024

Hazelelponi said:
Jury's are picked from the voter rolls, and if you didn't vote it was because you couldn't stand any choice, if you voted for him you liked him, and if you voted for someone else you hate him.

Really? Like or hate are the only options?

Bradskii · Apr 20, 2024

Hazelelponi said:
There's no impartiality in that. The best you could possibly do is take it to a swing state where it'll be a decent mix of voters.

It sounds like that you don't know how jurors are selected.

Fantine · Apr 20, 2024

That is a bad reflection on American morality. When bribery, cheating, and obstruction are thought of as "no big deal," either the people who believe it do similar things themselves or see it so often in business it's ignored.
Does our society believe white collar crime is a necessary component of success?
Do small self employed landscapers or housekeepers paid in cash think it's OK to cheat on taxes because DJT did it to the tune of 500 million?

None of us has expertise in NYstate law. The jury will see the facts and vote accordingly.

I was surprised to learn his two big civil losses were decided in unanimous verdicts--although that was not necessary.

It gives me faith in NY juries.

essentialsaltes · Apr 20, 2024

*clears throat*
<steps to mic>

America is not a democracy.

Hazelelponi · Apr 20, 2024

Bradskii said:
It sounds like that you don't know how jurors are selected.

They are randomly picked from eligible individuals in the courts area, called in, then the lawyers decided to keep or throw out a juror, but only so many are allowed on each side to be rejected.

The eligible individuals list is from the voter rolls, I always fill something out on top of that, but I don't remember when that occurs, right after you move or whatever I believe.

Swing states are states that are neither solid blue or solid red. If an area voted 90% for another candidate, the person being judged is unlikely to get a fair hearing because there's a 90% chance of getting jurors who don't like you.

Make sense?

wing2000 · Apr 20, 2024

Seems to me the defendant should be held to account in the city where the alleged crimes occurred.

Hazelelponi · Apr 20, 2024

wing2000 said:
Really? Like or hate are the only options?

With Trump it appears so...

But I would want the same for any president.

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