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What was happening during ascension

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Jesus was physically going up to the skies till above clouds and that was the last time they saw Him.

We know today that, there is no heaven beyond the clouds/firmament, but a vast space, first our solar system, then the rest of our galaxy etc.

So, what was happening? Where was He going?
 

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Jesus was physically going up to the skies till above clouds and that was the last time they saw Him.

We know today that, there is no heaven beyond the clouds/firmament, but a vast space, first our solar system, then the rest of our galaxy etc.

So, what was happening? Where was He going?
Good question. Obviously he wasn't taking off on a rocket ship, or space ship. He was perhaps entering into a transcendent stage, presenting the image of one no longer earthbound and visiting a non-earthly dimension. But who knows? ;)

People aren't birds, but flight is something God has given Man to master. Jesus was way ahead of the curve on this! ;)
 
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He was perhaps entering into a transcendent stage
According to gospels, He was able to appear, disappear, go through closed doors, teleport to different places... so He was pretty transcendent the whole time.

I cannot think of any purpose of leaving to clouds. Heaven is not supposed to be "up" anymore than it is "down" or "to the left".
 
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According to gospels, He was able to appear, disappear, go through closed doors, teleport to different places... so He was pretty transcendent the whole time.

I cannot think of any purpose of leaving to clouds. Heaven is not supposed to be "up" anymore than it is "down" or "to the left".
He was thereby hidden from them and taken out of sight.
Further knowledge will have to wait until the resurrection.
 
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Jesus was physically going up to the skies till above clouds and that was the last time they saw Him.

We know today that, there is no heaven beyond the clouds/firmament, but a vast space, first our solar system, then the rest of our galaxy etc.

So, what was happening? Where was He going?
Going to heaven with a bunch of Angels escorting Him.

Would you like a more detailed description?
 
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Interesting commentary
from: The Desire of Ages\ Chapter 87: \"To My Father, and Your Father\"

"All heaven was waiting to welcome the Saviour to the celestial courts. As He ascended, He led the way, and the multitude of captives set free at His resurrection followed. The heavenly host, with shouts and acclamations of praise and celestial song, attended the joyous train.

As they drew near to the city of God, the challenge is given by the escorting angels,—

"Lift up your heads, O ye gates;
And be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors;
And the King of glory shall come in."


Joyfully the waiting sentinels respond,—

"Who is this King of glory?"

This they say, not because they know not who He is, but because they would hear the answer of exalted praise,—

"The Lord strong and mighty,
The Lord mighty in battle!
Lift up your heads, O ye gates;
Even lift them up, ye everlasting doors;
And the King of glory shall come in."

Again is heard the challenge, "Who is this King of glory?" for the angels never weary of hearing His name exalted. The escorting angels make reply,—

"The Lord of hosts;
He is the King of glory." Psalm 24:7-10.

Then the portals of the city of God are opened wide, and the angelic throng sweep through the gates amid a burst of rapturous music. [834]

There is the throne, and around it the rainbow of promise. There are cherubim and seraphim. The commanders of the angel hosts, the sons of God, the representatives of the unfallen worlds, are assembled. The heavenly council before which Lucifer had accused God and His Son, the representatives of those sinless realms over which Satan had thought to establish his dominion,—all are there to welcome the Redeemer. They are eager to celebrate His triumph and to glorify their King.


But He waves them back. Not yet; He cannot now receive the coronet of glory and the royal robe. He enters into the presence of His Father. He points to His wounded head, the pierced side, the marred feet; He lifts His hands, bearing the print of nails. He points to the tokens of His triumph; He presents to God the wave sheaf, those raised with Him as representatives of that great multitude who shall come forth from the grave at His second coming. He approaches the Father, with whom there is joy over one sinner that repents; who rejoices over one with singing. Before the foundations of the earth were laid, the Father and the Son had united in a covenant to redeem man if he should be overcome by Satan. They had clasped Their hands in a solemn pledge that Christ should become the surety for the human race. This pledge Christ has fulfilled. When upon the cross He cried out, "It is finished," He addressed the Father. The compact had been fully carried out. Now He declares: Father, it is finished. I have done Thy will, O My God. I have completed the work of redemption. If Thy justice is satisfied, "I will that they also, whom Thou hast given Me, be with Me where I am." John 19:30; 17:24.


The voice of God is heard proclaiming that justice is satisfied. Satan is vanquished. Christ's toiling, struggling ones on earth are "accepted in the Beloved." Ephesians 1:6. Before the heavenly angels and the representatives of unfallen worlds, they are declared justified. Where He is, there His church shall be. "Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other." Psalm 85:10. The Father's arms encircle His Son, and the word is given, "Let all the angels of God worship Him." Hebrews 1:6.


With joy unutterable, rulers and principalities and powers acknowledge the supremacy of the Prince of life. The angel host prostrate themselves before Him, while the glad shout fills all the courts of heaven, "Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honor, and glory, and blessing." Revelation 5:12.




Songs of triumph mingle with the music from angel harps, till heaven seems to overflow with joy and praise. Love has conquered. The lost is found. Heaven rings with voices in lofty strains proclaiming, "Blessing, and honor, and glory, and power, be unto Him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb forever and ever." Revelation 5:13. [835]


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From that scene of heavenly joy, there comes back to us on earth the echo of Christ's own wonderful words, "I ascend unto My Father, and your Father; and to My God, and your God." John 20:17. The family of heaven and the family of earth are one. For us our Lord ascended, and for us He lives. "Wherefore He is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by Him, seeing He ever liveth to make intercession for them." Hebrews 7:25.
 
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According to gospels, He was able to appear, disappear, go through closed doors, teleport to different places... so He was pretty transcendent the whole time.

I cannot think of any purpose of leaving to clouds. Heaven is not supposed to be "up" anymore than it is "down" or "to the left".
Well, "up" is viewed as a superior position, as if God looks down upon the land from the top of the mountain. And this is meaningful because in Israel's history, Moses received the Law from the top of a mountain. It is a position of divine superiority and His vantage point.

We can all suppose that God looks down from His celestial "mountain" and witnesses everything that goes on upon the earth. And with satellites we can see even more what it means to be "up" and ascending to the place of God's seat of authority.

The clouds covered Jesus as he left. Clouds are what hides the stars at night and shields us from seeing God's view of the universe. It is "divine territory." God is "above" the terrestrial realm, and our skies. This is true on every side of the earth.
 
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Jesus was physically going up to the skies till above clouds and that was the last time they saw Him.

We know today that, there is no heaven beyond the clouds/firmament, but a vast space, first our solar system, then the rest of our galaxy etc.

So, what was happening? Where was He going?
To heaven - where He is currently seated at the right hand of God
 
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To heaven - where He is currently seated at the right hand of God
Heaven is not in the skies. So I see no purpose of levitating up "to heaven". Was that just for the disciples, because they thought heaven is above them, above skies?
 
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Well, "up" is viewed as a superior position, as if God looks down upon the land from the top of the mountain. And this is meaningful because in Israel's history, Moses received the Law from the top of a mountain. It is a position of divine superiority and His vantage point.

We can all suppose that God looks down from His celestial "mountain" and witnesses everything that goes on upon the earth. And with satellites we can see even more what it means to be "up" and ascending to the place of God's seat of authority.

The clouds covered Jesus as he left. Clouds are what hides the stars at night and shields us from seeing God's view of the universe. It is "divine territory." God is "above" the terrestrial realm, and our skies. This is true on every side of the earth.
It seems you think it was a purely symbolic act and when He got away from their sight, He just disappeared from the physical universe?
 
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It seems you think it was a purely symbolic act and when He got away from their sight, He just disappeared from the physical universe? That would kind of make sense.
Yes, you have that right, except that it was a real act, though it was designed to be a symbolic picture of the difference between God's domain and our domain. It all seems pretty relative to me, but God has designed us with the context by which He speaks truth to us. So He positions Himself as "up" quite literally, when up is much more than simply a direction--it is a position of superiority with a superior vantage point.

If you think about it, everything God did was sort of "unnecessary." Once, when Jesus prayed, it was said that it did so not because he had to speak out loud, but for the sake of those who were listening. Similarly, God could end all sin and all problems, but He has a process He goes through to resolve things in a way that benefits us. :)

Jesus could've just "disappeared" instead of actually "ascend" into the sky, getting covered with clouds--perhaps fog? But he was simulating what Moses did in ascending on the mountain to get Israel the Law. In this case, Jesus ascended to God his Father to obtain a seat alongside God, establishing the authority of his blood.
 
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It seems you think it was a purely symbolic act and when He got away from their sight, He just disappeared from the physical universe?
Our pastor pointed out something interesting this Easter. Why did God post 2 angels in Jesus' tomb, one at the head and one at the feet of where Jesus was laid?

John 20.11 Now Mary stood outside the tomb crying. As she wept, she bent over to look into the tomb 12 and saw two angels in white, seated where Jesus’ body had been, one at the head and the other at the foot.

We're not really told why or even if God had to do these things. We don't know why there were 2 angels in the tomb anymore than we know why Jesus had to ascend "up" into the sky?

However, if we look back at the Tabernacle set up, we read how the mercy seat of the Ark of the Covenant had 2 angels, one on each side, looking in a particular direction. It appears to be a means of carrying out work not to show the means, ie the angels, but the one who the process is designed to reveal, namely Christ.

Exo 25.17 “Make an atonement cover of pure gold—two and a half cubits long and a cubit and a half wide. 18 And make two cherubim out of hammered gold at the ends of the cover. 19 Make one cherub on one end and the second cherub on the other; make the cherubim of one piece with the cover, at the two ends. 20 The cherubim are to have their wings spread upward, overshadowing the cover with them. The cherubim are to face each other, looking toward the cover."

We aren't always told why God does things the way He does. But the more we know about the context, the better we may get an idea?
 
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