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The old tired "its the same on both sides" argument.
In my opinion, politicians are best viewed as tools by the voters. Tools, or instruments, to get things done which the voters want to be done. When you understand that politicians are very fallible humans, y'all can understand that they cannot ever be fully trusted.

There is only just One in Whom I place my complete faith and total trust. He is known as the Lord God.
 
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I'm talking about his wives and his business associates. He's betrayed all of them.
I am not saying your opinion is incorrect. However, why then did 75 million Americans vote for him in 2020?
Why does he have overwhelming support among Republicans in the primaries?
 
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In my opinion, politicians are best viewed as tools by the voters. Tools, or instruments, to get things done which the voters want to be done. When you understand that politicians are very fallible humans, y'all can understand that they cannot ever be fully trusted.
I actually agree that you shouldn't fully trust politicians and second hand salesmen also.

They are supposed to be tools for the public and they are supposed to get things done.
But when all they do is political theatre, and when they spend their whole time trying to stop things getting done, then supporters of their party should vote those particular people out.
 
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However, why then did 75 million Americans vote for him in 2020?
Because some people would vote for a yellow dog, if he was a republican.
Why does he have overwhelming support among Republicans in the primaries?
WASHINGTON (AP) — A small but substantial chunk of Republican primary and caucus voters say they would be so dissatisfied if Donald Trump became the party’s presidential nominee that they would not vote for him in November’s general election, according to AP VoteCast.

An analysis of the data shows that many of those voters were unlikely to vote for Trump, some even before this year, but it still points to potential problems for the former president as he looks to consolidate the nomination and pivot toward an expected rematch with Democratic President Joe Biden.

According to AP VoteCast surveys of the first three head-to-head Republican contests, 2 in 10 Iowa voters, one-third of New Hampshire voters, and one-quarter of South Carolina voters would be so disappointed by Trump’s renomination that they would refuse to vote for him in the fall.


That's a lot of republicans who will refuse to vote for him. The question is rather "why are so many republicans refusing to support the repubican nominee?"
 
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I want to know how the folks boosting this feel about the obvious conflict of interest this poses for Trump both now as a candidate and especially later if he wins. People were worried about Biden maybe getting a 6-to-7-figure cut of his son's deals in China, and now you have a presidential candidate with a couple billions of dollars worth of stock in an unprofitable media company.
Come on guy. If they weren't worried about the truateeships under his sons last time, you know they'd be totally comfortable with Trump holing onto truth social anyways.

How else are they going to know the truth about what's happenning to Trump?
 
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Because some people would vote for a yellow dog, if he was a republican.

WASHINGTON (AP) — A small but substantial chunk of Republican primary and caucus voters say they would be so dissatisfied if Donald Trump became the party’s presidential nominee that they would not vote for him in November’s general election, according to AP VoteCast.

An analysis of the data shows that many of those voters were unlikely to vote for Trump, some even before this year, but it still points to potential problems for the former president as he looks to consolidate the nomination and pivot toward an expected rematch with Democratic President Joe Biden.

According to AP VoteCast surveys of the first three head-to-head Republican contests, 2 in 10 Iowa voters, one-third of New Hampshire voters, and one-quarter of South Carolina voters would be so disappointed by Trump’s renomination that they would refuse to vote for him in the fall.


That's a lot of republicans who will refuse to vote for him. The question is rather "why are so many republicans refusing to support the repubican nominee?"
And I'd wager many other would vote for him with an upturned nose just cause they hate Biden/democrats so much (my guess is that number on CF is quite high).
 
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Because some people would vote for a yellow dog, if he was a republican.

WASHINGTON (AP) — A small but substantial chunk of Republican primary and caucus voters say they would be so dissatisfied if Donald Trump became the party’s presidential nominee that they would not vote for him in November’s general election, according to AP VoteCast.

An analysis of the data shows that many of those voters were unlikely to vote for Trump, some even before this year, but it still points to potential problems for the former president as he looks to consolidate the nomination and pivot toward an expected rematch with Democratic President Joe Biden.

According to AP VoteCast surveys of the first three head-to-head Republican contests, 2 in 10 Iowa voters, one-third of New Hampshire voters, and one-quarter of South Carolina voters would be so disappointed by Trump’s renomination that they would refuse to vote for him in the fall.


That's a lot of republicans who will refuse to vote for him. The question is rather "why are so many republicans refusing to support the repubican nominee?"
Do you understand that Biden's polling among Democratic voters is not nearly as favorable as Joe had in 2020?

Whereas, there is very little doubt that Trump's support among the vast Super majority of Republicans is still very solid. 75 million Americans in 2020 and the millions who voted in the 2024 Republican primaries should not be dismissed as "some people".
 
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Do you understand that Biden's polling among Democratic voters is not nearly as favorable as Joe had in 2020?

Whereas, there is very little doubt that Trump's support among the vast Super majority of Republicans is still very solid. 75 million Americans in 2020 and the millions who voted in the 2024 Republican primaries should not be dismissed as "some people".

Don't misconstrue enthusiasm among a small section of a particular voting set with general popularity among a party

Primary results by delegates:
Trump: 1,686/1,792 (94.1%)
Biden: 2,597/ 2,623 (99.0%)

Recent primary vote share per state

Trump:
Arizona: 78.7%
Florida: 81.2%
Illinois: 80.7%
Kansas: 75.5%
Ohio: 79.2%
Average: 79.02%

Biden:
Arizona: 89.4%
Illinois: 91.4%
Kansas: 83.8%
Ohio: 87.1%
Average: 87.93%
 
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Do you understand that Biden's polling among Democratic voters is not nearly as favorable as Joe had in 2020?
Yes. So it's especially surprising that recent polls show him with a slight lead over Trump.
Whereas, there is very little doubt that Trump's support among the vast Super majority of Republicans is still very solid.
"According to AP VoteCast surveys of the first three head-to-head Republican contests, 2 in 10 Iowa voters, one-third of New Hampshire voters, and one-quarter of South Carolina voters would be so disappointed by Trump’s renomination that they would refuse to vote for him in the fall."

Apparently not doing as well as you think.

75 million Americans in 2020 and the millions who voted in the 2024 Republican primaries should not be dismissed as "some people".
They just happen to have been the minority. Which was why Biden beat Trump.
 
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Yes. So it's especially surprising that recent polls show him with a slight lead over Trump.

"According to AP VoteCast surveys of the first three head-to-head Republican contests, 2 in 10 Iowa voters, one-third of New Hampshire voters, and one-quarter of South Carolina voters would be so disappointed by Trump’s renomination that they would refuse to vote for him in the fall."

Apparently not doing as well as you think.


They just happen to have been the minority. Which was why Biden beat Trump.
Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina
Three states that have a relatively low impact in the Electoral college. I am not concerned about the survey results in those states. In all likelihood, I believe Trump will win Iowa and South Carolina in November.
 
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Don't misconstrue enthusiasm among a small section of a particular voting set with general popularity among a party

Primary results by delegates:
Trump: 1,686/1,792 (94.1%)
Biden: 2,597/ 2,623 (99.0%)

Recent primary vote share per state

Trump:
Arizona: 78.7%
Florida: 81.2%
Illinois: 80.7%
Kansas: 75.5%
Ohio: 79.2%
Average: 79.02%

Biden:
Arizona: 89.4%
Illinois: 91.4%
Kansas: 83.8%
Ohio: 87.1%
Average: 87.93%
You honestly believe enough Republican voters will vote for Joe in 2024 to make a difference in a key state? One of the so-called swing states?
 
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You honestly believe enough Republican voters will vote for Joe in 2024 to make a difference in a key state? One of the so-called swing states?
At present, recent polls show Biden with a razor-thin lead. When all the legal issues settle out, might be a different story.
 
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I am not saying your opinion is incorrect. However, why then did 75 million Americans vote for him in 2020?

8% of Americans think they could beat an elephant or a gorilla in a fistfight. If there are 258 million adults in the US, we can immediately classify over 20 million of those adults as idiots.

The charitable answer to your question is that many people support Republican policies.

Why does he have overwhelming support among Republicans in the primaries?

The less charitable answer to your question is that Trump is an effective grifter who's, essentially, leading a cult. Between evangelicalism and right-wing media, large swaths of this country have been conditioned to love illiberal authoritarianism, to worship tv personalities, to hate Democrats, and to be suspicious of professionals and experts. Trump outperformed other Republican candidates because his opponents either didn't try to push those same buttons, or they didn't push them effectively enough.
 
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This sounds so crazy that I had to check. You're right.

So millions of people voting for Trump doesn't sound so unlikely, given your information.
lol, yeah, that's sort of my baseline I use to calibrate my level of surprise whenever some percentage of the population does something stupid.

Oh, 15% of people think they were abducted by aliens? Yeah, that tracks.

If all of the lion-punchers broke off and formed their own state, it would be the 4th largest, below Florida and above NY.
 
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I can't imagine any Wall Street investor buying this stock:

The company’s valuation, however, stands at odds with its business performance. Trump Media earned about $3.4 million in revenue and lost $49 million in the first nine months of 2023, a Securities and Exchange Commission filing shows.


The Trump company’s shares ended Tuesday at $58, only a few dollars below the stock price of the discussion-board platform Reddit, which went public last week. Last year, Reddit generated more than $800 million in revenue.

 
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8% of Americans think they could beat an elephant or a gorilla in a fistfight. If there are 258 million adults in the US, we can immediately classify over 20 million of those adults as idiots.

The charitable answer to your question is that many people support Republican policies.



The less charitable answer to your question is that Trump is an effective grifter who's, essentially, leading a cult. Between evangelicalism and right-wing media, large swaths of this country have been conditioned to love illiberal authoritarianism, to worship tv personalities, to hate Democrats, and to be suspicious of professionals and experts. Trump outperformed other Republican candidates because his opponents either didn't try to push those same buttons, or they didn't push them effectively enough.
I could beat a polar bear in a fist fight no problem. Can I have my own state now?
 
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