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They are scientist nonetheless and I reference the big bang in my writing although it was brief. So I think it's clear where my interest lie and why I may have referenced astronomers the most. I don't think these scientist studying a different subset of science makes them any less reliable to critic a theory from biology. They most likely have also studied the subject I know one of my favorite astrophysicist in particular Dr. Hugh Ross has. So why would other scientist although they may be from a different field of study not have done the same? It's highly probable that they have and I believe all sciences share commonalities so why would they not be qualified to speak on other subjects? That's my thought process or reasoning.
When it comes to religion science is agnostic, neither the religious nor the atheist can use science to advance their beliefs.
The existence or non existence of God is unfalsifiable in science, Hugh Ross being an OEC is expressing an opinion based on faith not evidence.

Steven Weinberg and Adul Salam were polar opposites when it came to their opinions on religion.
Weinberg said:
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Salam said:
The Holy Quran enjoins us to reflect on the verities of Allah's created laws of nature; however, that our generation has been privileged to glimpse a part of His design is a bounty and a grace for which I render thanks with a humble heart.
"Thou seest not, in the creation of the All-merciful any imperfection, Return thy gaze, seest thou any fissure? Then Return thy gaze, again and again. Thy gaze, Comes back to thee dazzled, aweary." (Quran 67:3–4) This, in effect, is the faith of all physicists; the deeper we seek, the more is our wonder excited, the more is the dazzlement for our gaze."
So what links these individuals with polar opposite views; they both won the Nobel Prize in Physics for their collaborative work on Electroweak Theory.
Religion and atheism played absolutely no role in the theory which includes science in general.
 
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It's late here and I'm on my phone anyway having a hard time finding a paper which is not paywalled for you, but here is a typical abstract:

Thank you I will be frank with you I have no interest in mathematics nor background in mathematics. Hence why my interests are in the least mathematically inclined branches of science. But nonetheless I will at least consider the article you sent and get a second opinion from someone who has more understanding on the subject.
 
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Thank you I will be frank with you I have no interest in mathematics nor background in mathematics. Hence why my interests are in the least mathematically inclined branches of science. But nonetheless I will at least consider the article you sent and get a second opinion from someone who has more understanding on the subject.
Then you should avoid the subject of Intelligent Design, which is a failed mathematical argument.
 
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Of course he's alive, what's the point of asking such a silly question? He works in science based ministry until this day and has an extensive background in astronomy and physics.

Then he's a minister of some kind, not an active astronomer.
 
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Cambrian explosion is a single event the time span is quite irrelevant it was a point in time that these creatures came about.
This is simple untrue. Many millions of years is not a single point in time. It’s over an order of magnitude longer than anatomically modern humans have existed.
 
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But at the same time I needed a reality check and to get accustomed to these types of interactions
Yet you’ve rejected the criticisms levelled at your post.
 
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. I think I don't need to speak on why the particular response we are discussing was uncalled for as it's self explanatory
Clearly it isn’t or you would not have been asked the question. Why bother with your OP if you hand wave away any comments that are not praise?
 
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I can think of many other scientists who predated or were near contemporaries of Darwin who were "not in favor" of his theory (mostly because they never heard of it) that's no trick. But I never would have thought of picking astronomers as reliable critics' of a theory of biology. :scratch:
The way to find scientists who might reject evolution
is to go way back in history. There was no ToE.in
Newton's of Cpernicus' day. It's like saying they didn't
believe in computers. Ie, dishonest to list them.

In today's world, the theory is well known to anyone
equipped to learn. So is the fact that no disoroof
exists, no data anywhere to show its wrong.

There is no way for a modern scientist to reject ToE
and maintain intellectual integrity.

One who does reject it...D K Wise. PhD paleontology.

"...even if all the evidence in the universe turns against
Yec, I will still be yec."

The very definition of scientific dishonesty.
I might suggest that what you perceive as 'mean-ness' was used deliberately, in order to get you to stop and reflect upon the impact of proceeding to publish misrepresentations that the scientific community can instantly recognise.

Its one thing to innocently misunderstand how scientific thinkers view Evolution .. but its another matter entirely to make assertions on their behalf about what Evolution 'does, or does not say'.
The truth bites and stings if a person is
overinvested In a comfortable falsehood.
That's why it's so hard to help someone
who is being scammed. A typical reaction
is to reject " you are being scammed" and lash
out. See going to personal attack like
saying it's " mean spirited" , " condescending"
to tell someone that are being naive to think
they won the Dutch lottery! :D
 
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Clearly it isn’t or you would not have been asked the question. Why bother with your OP if you hand wave away any comments that are not praise?
Maybe shocked to find that a " God inspired"
writing isn't met with glowing praise.
 
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None the less is it justifiable behavior? I don't believe I misrepresented anything. I was fairly neutral in my writing and shared my personal view points and findings in regards to this subject. If I deliberately lied then call me out but I see no lies in my writing it's a simple analysis.
So far it is uninformed / misinformed.

It becomes lying after your mistakes are pointed out.

Failure to listen or investigate is no excuse.
 
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Being mean spirited and condescending is not helpful there's simply no need for that. I've never been to Hong Kong and know little about the culture there. I understand they may have more rigid standards for writing, thank you for enlightening me on that cultural difference. However we should aim to be civil with one another at all times., We are all human beings after all.
So, being uncomfortable with an
accurate assessment of your writing,
instead of reflecting, learning anything you
turn to name calling? Mean, condescending, and uncivil?

What you wrote, paraphrzsed is not original of course, it's creationist playback. It's in typical scam format.
Present a "lesson", sprinkled liberally with solid info
and use that to gain readers' confidence, then lead
them to a false conclusion.

I doubt very much that you are aware you've been
been scammed.

But ignoring the warning and lashing out at anyone
who tries is typical of scammed.

It's all a great disservice to yourself and anything you
wish to respect.

Oh. About Hong Kong, student achievement far
outstrips that of American students because it's a culture
of respect for education. All of it. Critical thinking, say.
Writing is only a part of it.

And unsurprisingly, yec and other antiscience
fundamentalist belief systems draw their strength from
the lowest rungs of the socioeconomic / education ladder.
 
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Why is it bollocks?
Because it's all predicated on beliefs that cannot be shown to be true and dismisses what we've actually observed and can show to be true and justify the interpretations that you claim are "unsubstantiated."

You're just wrong.
 
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We are made of many of the same elements derived from soil and water as Genesis 2:7 states " God formed man of the dust of the ground & breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul". Everything in our physical world has a basis in being created out of star dust. Star Dust in other words debris from Super Nova's that occurred billions of years ago particularly during the beginning of time at approximately 13.7 billion years ago. See here how this fact relates to Genesis 2:7 dust to modern day astronomer and physicist view of the origin of the universe, our physical world being derived from star dust. We are made and comprised of the same elements that the heavenly bodies is composed of as well as our terrestrial environment.

Some of our oldest fossil records are linked to a single event called the Cambrian or Silurian explosion. Out of this event evolved some of the earliest arthropods and primarily aquatic species. We can observe today that some species such as the aquatic isopod underwent micro evolutionary changes to adapt to living on land. On the terrestrial isopod commonly known as the wood louse or (roly poly or pill bug) we can observe gills that allow these crustaceans to survive when submerged in water for short periods of time, this reminiscent of their aquatic ancestry. Many animals within the animal kingdom have underwent the process of evolution on a microscopic scale however large evolutionary jumps such as those purported by Darwin have yet to be seen and tested. This is due to the proposed processes taking approximately one million years to occur. However the Cambrian explosion indicates how life all stems from a single point and a plethora of species was produced during this pivotal time period.

The Cambrian explosion is also referred to as the biological big bang it occurred 538.8 million years ago. It is considered a biological epoch because virtually all modern day animal phyla developed during this event which lasted 13-25 million years a blink of an eye in terms of cosmic timeline. Let's look at Genesis 20, In this section of the Bible the following is stated, "And God said, Let the water teem with living creatures", this indicates that according to the Bible life originated in the ocean first and foremost which corresponds with the scientific view of life first developing in the oceans via life forms such as, arthropods and mollusk both being of aquatic origin.

"What is the great difference between supposing that God makes variable species or that he makes laws by which species vary?"- Louis Aggasiz

There is no fundamental difference in these two separate statements. In the eyes of believers the natural development and progression of natural, processes, occurrences, phenomena and organisms in general is often proof in an of itself for intelligent design. The intricacies and very well planned out details of these phenomena cannot occur sporadically without careful thought being put into these natural workmanship(so to speak). It is the thought process behind these extremely detailed and well thought out designs along with the creative intellect that is stand alone proof for a divine creator. To deny such or claim that random probability was the driving force for such well formed organized systems along with tangible/intangible products is unsubstantiated.
There is a great deal to unpack here. I hope you will stay with me as I work my way through it.

First, I congratulate you on having made more effort than most creationists on this forum to look at some of the evidence for evolution. That, for me is a large positive. Unfortunately, from here on it is mainly downhill.

I was disappointed by your reaction to criticism. Here is my take on criticism. This afternoon I and a colleague shall be taking a Teams call from a client, for whom we have just completed a training package. In this call he will give us his views on the value of that training and whether or not he wishes to have more from us. It is my earnest hope that he will be not only forthright in his comments, but brutal. I want him to focus on what was wrong with the package, not on what was right. If he holds back then we will find it difficult to make improvements. It can be unpleasant, at the time, to take such criticism, but it is the only effective way I know of to improve. I encourage you to adopt a similar attitude.

For example, as @SelfSim has remarked, you completely failed to structure your writing properly and as others implied you did not state whether or not you wanted an evaluation of your writing, or of the ideas in it, or both. At best that is sloppy, at worst it is rude. Then you make what comes across to me as a petty remark to @Tinker Grey, calling him "buddy", for doing exactly what you appeared to have asked us to do - comment on your writing.

I shall be concentrating on the content of your opening post (OP), but be aware that there are issues with typing, grammar, punctuation and the aforementioned structural failing.

First Paragraph of OP
I don't know how important to your argument is your statement that the supernovaes that produced the dust from which the solar system is composed happened mainly just after the Big Bang. My understanding is that some of that dust has been identified as being more recent and certainly the collapse of the GMC (Giant Molecular Cloud) from which it formed was triggered by a "recent" supernovae. Perhaps @sjastro can comment on this.

Second Paragraph of OP
I have never, at any time, place, or publication, seen or heard the Cambrian explosion referred to as the Cambrian or Silurian explosion. Between the end of the Cambrian and the beginning of the Silurian we have around 40 million years of the Ordovician. Perhaps you are confusing the diversification of life forms in the Silurian that followed on from the Ordovician mass extinctions.

The line between micro-evolution and macro-evolution is not clear cut. However, characterising the changes that permitted acquatic life to adopt a terrestrial habitat as being an example of micro-evolution is stretching the meaning far beyond breaking point. If you disagree please present an argument, in your own words, justifying this assertion. If you cannot do so please acknowledge that the application of micro-evolution in this instance was wrong.

You are correct that all evolution occurs on a microscopic scale, just as a marathon occurs one stride at a time, but after 30 or 40,000 strides you have run 26 miles, 385 yards. And after hundreds of thousands, or even millions of years, macroscopic evolution has taken place as is evident from the fossil record and from genetic analysis and new genera, families and even phyla have emerged.

It always bemuses me that creationists have this seeming obsession with Darwin. His brilliant insight and meticulous research was revolutionary, but we have had more than a century and a half since the publication of On the Origin of Species in which tens of thousands of researchers have published hundreds of thousands of theses, journal articles and textbooks on evolution.

It is not true to say that "all life stems from a single point" in the Cambrian. There were around three billion years of evolution that preceded the explosion. Life moved from very simple prokaryotes, simpler than the simplest organism extant today, towards eukaryotes - a vast macro-evolutionary development - around two billion years ago, then to multicellularity and then the emergence of creatures with diversified organs (i.e. animals), no later than 700 million years ago and most probably much earlier. The Ediacaran biota of complex organisms preceded the Cambrian explostion. Your assertion that the explosion was an event, a point in time is incorrect. It was a period of rapid change, but much of the groundwork for those changes had been laid in the previous half billion years, only recognised because of improvements in technology and because we have gone out looking for microfossils and biochemical traces in what had been thought of as barren rock.

You are correct that a great diversification occured in Cambrian times (though you ignore the diversification in the preceding Ediacaran, and in the following Ordovician), but to claim it occured at a point in time and to ignore three billion years of earlier evoutionary steps is simply wrong.

Third Paragraph of OP
OK. Nothing wrong as such here, but I just worry that - as written - you appear to equate arthropods and molluscs as an early form of life, whereas they are incredibly sophisticated and complex animals as far removed from the first proto-cells as you or I. I appreciate that, as a practicing Christian, the concept of the scala naturae may be embedded in your thinking, but unless properly applied that is likely to lead you astray, as it seems to have done here.

Final Paragraph of OP
The two contrasting statements of Aggasiz are the same only to a Christian who is indifferent to whether or not God created life as it is in an instant, or caused it to evolve over time. To a Christian who believes Genesis is the literal truth the two statements are irreconcilable. To a scientifically oriented Christian they will appear incompatible. To a non-Christian the latter one would remain plausible, were it not for the fact they don't think such a God exists. (Those are generalisations - they will not be disproved by anecdotal counter examples,)

It is my opinion that Christianity will enhance its image by distancing itself from the claims of the Discovery Institute. I can develop that point if you wish, but I advise against it.

Contrary to your assertion life is not especially well designed. There are numerous examples. I'll mention one human centred one. Humans can choke on their food if it "goes down the wrong way". Why introduce, by design, such a weakness into humans when it is absent in most animals?

"Random probability" is not the driving force behind evolution. You are attacking a strawman. Natural Selection, and other processes, acting upon organisms whose characteristics have been shaped by genes that have undergone changes due to random probability is the driving force. These processes have been established through the studies of many thousands of researchers in the fields of botany, zoology, biochemistry, genetics, microbiology, ethology, palaeontology and a host more. Hypotheses on the details have been advanced, tested, amended, adapted, combined, and in some instances rejected, leading to a coherent, validated body of evidence, experiment and theory that presents evolution as the best (by far) explanation for the diversity of life on this planet. That is why @The IbanezerScrooge described your last paragraph as "bollocks".

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Finally, elsewhere you assert that a scientist in one field should be able to comment with authority on matters in another field. Nonsense! Perhaps you are familiar with the humerous definition of an expert: someone who knows more and more about less and less. A vulcanologist who has devoted twenty years to the study of carbonatite lavas in East Africa, might feel comfortable discussing eruptive mechanisms of Icelandic lavas with an expert on those. But they would be unlikely to make authoritative claims on the significance of isotope ratios in relation to magma migration from the asthenosphere below Iceland. And that's two experts within not just geology, but a narro subset of geology. You are simply mistaken in this regard.
 
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Because he’s an atheist.
Plenty of Christians agree with me on this. Just statistically speaking, the majority of those who accept evolution as an accurate theory of biology are Christian and/or religious. Me being an atheist has nothing to do with it.
 
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There is no way for a modern scientist to reject ToE and maintain intellectual integrity.

It's interesting how some people will advertise the ridicule that will follow, should someone refuse to accept what's being taught.

"Go ahead and reject evolution. But if you do, I shall accuse you of being intellectually dishonest."
 
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Yet you’ve rejected the criticisms levelled at yo
So, being uncomfortable with an
accurate assessment of your writing,
instead of reflecting, learning anything you
turn to name calling? Mean, condescending, and uncivil?

What you wrote, paraphrzsed is not original of course, it's creationist playback. It's in typical scam format.
Present a "lesson", sprinkled liberally with solid info
and use that to gain readers' confidence, then lead
them to a false conclusion.

I doubt very much that you are aware you've been
been scammed.

But ignoring the warning and lashing out at anyone
who tries is typical of scammed.

It's all a great disservice to yourself and anything you
wish to respect.

Oh. About Hong Kong, student achievement far
outstrips that of American students because it's a culture
of respect for education. All of it. Critical thinking, say.
Writing is only a part of it.

And unsurprisingly, yec and other antiscience
fundamentalist belief systems draw their strength from
the lowest rungs of the socioeconomic / education ladder.
You're welcome to oust yourself from this conversation. It's not name calling if it's true. You were raised in a country indoctrinated by the CCP, respectfully who's been fed lies? I prefer not to discuss any further as this will only feed your desire to harass and insult people have a good day.
 
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One who does reject it...D K Wise. PhD paleontology.

"...even if all the evidence in the universe turns against
Yec, I will still be yec."

The very definition of scientific dishonesty.

If that's your definition of "scientific dishonesty," I wonder if Frances Kelsey was accused of "scientific dishonesty" as well?
 
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