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Putting chaplains in public school is the latest battle in culture wars (Wapo)

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Lawmakers in mostly conservative states are pushing a coordinated effort to bring chaplains into public schools, aided by a new, legislation-crafting network that aims to address policy issues “from a biblical world view” and by a consortium whose promotional materials say chaplains are a way to convert millions to Christianity.

“We are reclaiming religious freedom in this country,” said Jason Rapert, a former Arkansas state senator and the president of the National Association of Christian Lawmakers, which he founded in 2019 to craft model legislation, according to the group’s site. Its mission is “to bring federal, state and local lawmakers together in support of clear biblical principles … to address major policy concerns from a biblical world view,” the site says.

Heather Weaver, senior staff attorney at the ACLU Program on Freedom of Religion and Belief, called allowing chaplains into public schools “a constitutional time bomb. It definitely would be a much more direct route to promoting religion to students and evangelizing them than we’ve seen in the past.” she said.

Some experts on church-state relations say the pushback may reflect Americans’ complex and inconsistent relationship with the role Christianity should play in a pluralistic country. Polls show a majority of Americans say that the government should enforce church-state separation and oppose the government ever declaring an official U.S. religion. Yet, in a 2022 Pew Research poll, a strong minority, 45 percent, said the country “should be a Christian nation.”
 

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“We are reclaiming religious freedom in this country,” said Jason Rapert
So lets push Christianity. Anyone else see the contradiction?
 
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This is one of those kinds of efforts that get quickly struck down in the judicial branch.

Hopefully they're not sinking too much time into this "legislation crafting network" as they're calling it...

It'd be like sinking a bunch of effort into doing a new custom paint job on the car that you know is getting repo'd next week.
 
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Do you want chaplains from The Satanic Temple in schools? Because this is how you get chaplains from the Satanic Temple in schools.
What do you believe the infiltration of the LBGT... is all about. It's the reason the Church of Satan is calling this "the Age of Satan". It comes right out of their Satanic Bible as Satanic sex.
 
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After which the right wing blogosphere can claim persecution.
That is often the pattern...


I think where the conflict arises centers around the "religious vs. non-religious" aspects and how it pertains to how much (and in what ways) a faction can push for changes that suit their ideology.

And it becomes a "unique" situation where they could even be arguing about opposing sides of the exact same issue, but one side is allowed to go "pedal to the metal" in advancing their interests, while the other side has to "put on the restrictor plate". (to use a car analogy)


So on one hand, it could be seen (by those on the losing end) as a "persecution" of sorts, in that their ideological opponents are being afforded a luxury they don't have just because of a difference in what their underlying philosophies are rooted in.

But on the other hand, it's a form of "persecution" that's "approved" by the constitution due to the fact that the framers felt that the pros of keeping religious affiliations out of the mix outweighed the cons.


For instance, if we kind of played the "reverse uno card" here and did a hypothetical inverse.

Let's say the constitution had provisions for "separation of climate science and state"... where all of the climate deniers were allowed to go full throttle, and use any argument or rationale they wanted to push for their legislative agenda, insert their denialism into public school curriculums via coal advocacy books, etc..., but the environmentalists were constrained to use only arguments and rationales for their positions that didn't invoke or rely on any climate science.

Naturally, the environmentalists would feel that they're not getting a fair fight and feel like they're getting their hands tied with regards to policy advancement (IE: persecuted against)


With regards to this topic...
The waters get even more muddy in these subjects when adherents to a particular ideology may hold it based on ideas that are held with a religiosity that rivals that of actual religions, and may also rely on things that are just intangible/unprovable as things found in major religions.


Exaggerated example:
Joe says people should be monogamous because his religious book of choice says so
Mike says people should be polyamorous because of an "awakening" he had on a vision quest while doing ayahuasca that felt very real to him

Joe's arguments are mostly disqualified due to the fact that they stem from religion. Mike's free to advance his position as much as he wants using any rationale he wants because it's not stemming from religion.


Even if you don't agree with Joe, it's at least understandable why Joe feels a tad frustrated by that arrangement.
 
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What do you believe the infiltration of the LBGT... is all about. It's the reason the Church of Satan is calling this "the Age of Satan". It comes right out of their Satanic Bible as Satanic sex.
LGBT is taught in public schools because it also has a historical setting ie Ancient Rome and Greece. That does not mean it's ok for public schools for them to teach LGBT actions are ok.
 
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Is somebody infiltrating the LBGT?
I guess I wasn't very clear. I am referring to the infiltration of the LBGT into our schools and into our government, to the point that even the president places their flag at the capitol. Christ called the first century Jews the synagogue of Satan as He likened them to Sodom and Egypt. My point was that why worry about a chaplain in schools that have already been taken over by Satanic Ideology?
 
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I guess I wasn't very clear. I am referring to the infiltration of the LBGT into our schools and into our government, to the point that even the president places their flag at the capitol. Christ called the first century Jews the synagogue of Satan as He likened them to Sodom and Egypt. My point was that why worry about a chaplain in schools that have already been taken over by Satanic Ideology?
Nothing to be done about it. LGBT is legal, and LGBT kids are allowed in the public schools. Do you think we should have them banned?
 
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Nothing to be done about it. LGBT is legal, and LGBT kids are allowed in the public schools. Do you think we should have them banned?
Why should it be taught in schools? Some parents don’t like it. Keep LGBT ideology out of schools.
 
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Why should it be taught in schools? Some parents don’t like it. Keep LGBT ideology out of schools.
Well when the satanic temple gets their Chaplins in there….
 
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Separation of Church of state means separation of church and state. Simple.
I agree with you at the same time if they are willing to have other faiths resprented I have no problem with it. Just like I have no problem with religion being taught in public schools, so long as all relgions are given an equal opportunity to be taught. I have no problem with faith based organizations in public scchools like the FCA provided that ( as long as there is a teacher willing to be the avsior) other faiths are allowed to have mostly student led groups.
 
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Do you want chaplains from The Satanic Temple in schools? Because this is how you get chaplains from the Satanic Temple in schools.
Or Imams.
And watch them scream when they try.
 
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