Jesus used PARABLES. Can GOD use Parables in the BOOK of GENESIS?
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Nathan Poe
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Certainly.
Snakes don't talk.
People do not live to 900 years and beyond (except Yoda)
The Earth was not completely covered in water (except in a bad Kevin Costner movie)
The Sun does not move around the Earth, therefore, Joshua could not have "stopped" it.
Bats are not birds.
Rabbits don't chew their cuds.
And this is not counting the facts that the Bible presents which contradict other facts the Bible presents. If you want some more untruths, then take Dan Barker's Easter challenge:
Read the four Gospel accounts and tell us exactly what happened on Easter morning.
http://www.ffrf.org/lfif/stone.html
If you don't click the link, I'll even provide the appropriate passages:
Matthew 28, Mark 16, Luke 24, John 20-21, Acts 1:3-12, 1 Corinthians 15:3-8
It is logically impossible for all these accounts to be true. Somebody got it wrong.
Barker also has a small section on general Bible contradictions here:
http://www.ffrf.org/lfif/contra.html
If you like, I can find you a much longer list...
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In Genesis 41, seven (7) COWS were used to represent 7 YEARS. So it seems that GOD also uses COWS to represent TIME or at least uses something to mean something else.
ONE FAT COW means ONE GOOD YEAR
Certainly not to be taken as literal.......seems more parable like.....
ONE FAT COW means ONE GOOD YEAR
Certainly not to be taken as literal.......seems more parable like.....
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Gee, correct if I am wrong, but wasnt that in a dream that Daniel was interpreting?
Which would have definetly pointed out that the cows were NOT real cows.
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God has and will always allow humans freewill, otherwise we could all be robots. There were times man actually grieved God to the point that He repented that He had made man...He is NOT up there in heaven playing with puppets..We have choice and God gave us that.. ...I've heard their are not many atheist when on their death bed. So then people who have chosen to deny God can repent---even in the last hour. The One God whom we should all know has given everyone a whosoever will an invitation to come and drink from the cup of life freely.
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This you may say is not in sync with this paticular forum. Bear with me momentarily. I have grown weary of so many accusing God of 911. God is a Good God who created man giving him freewill. Here is a nation who has ousted God far from their presence until something horrific happens and then they call on God only to accuse Him. What kind of relationship is that? Why do people die , why do people live, why are people rich, why are people poor? We have control of our own lives, we make our own decisions---to do good or to do evil!!
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Who do you know who lived back before the flood? If you can let me know how to get in touch with them I have more interesting questions to ask.
How do you know the serpent was a snake? People who have had alien abduction experiences see two kinds of aliens; the small grays that are short with the big eyes, etc, and the reptilians that are tall and have reptile like heads and scaley skin.
I noticed you didn't mention the animal that talked when Balaam was riding him. You can find this animal, described in two words, in 2Pet2:16 in the KJV on this site. Of course, those usually can't stop talking.
The climate and atmospheric pressure were different before the flood. I know you don't believe in this, but animals that live in elevated pressure environments live substantially longer. So, how do you know they didn't live to be this old?
I know a global flood seems unplausible, but how did the marine fossils get on top of all of the mountains and everywhere on earth? And if there isn't enough water to submerge the earth, why are environmentalists so concerned about melting the polar ice caps?
I don't remember the specifics about Joshua and the extra daylight. I have to do some investigation to comment with any meaningful reply. (Though I've already gathered that on this site meaningful isn't a requirement.) I believe this may be the incident some scientists think might be a close pass by Mars, but that is way too involved for this thread.
I'm not up on the bats and rabbits comments, either. However, these are all singular accounts and not contradictions. A contradiction is for the same source to say things differently on different occasions or locations.
I will investigate the Easter verses as you have pointed out.
I knew it would be easier to find apparent contradictions this way than any other.
Thank you for the reply. I will see what I can do.
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Judas was FULL of greed ! he did a thing in which he could not turn back..This isn't the only time greed has caused men to fall
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Nathan Poe
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I know as many pre-flood people as the writers of the Bible did. So my guess is as good as theirs.
So the Bible mentions aliens now? Way to Ad Hoc that one...
That would be Balaam's ***. Yep, I left that one out. The Son of Sam claimed that his neighbor's dog spoke to him. If a donkey can talk, then maybe Son of Sam isn't so crazy after all?
Well, most people today live to an average of about 85, and that's with the best medical care and standard of living in history. For ancient times, we can cut the average in half. Are you suggesting that a simple change in climate and pressure can increase this length more than twenty times over? That's a lot more than "substantial," that's outlandish.
Tectonic shift. Next question.
I never said that there wasn't enough water for it to happen. I'm just saying it never happened. It would be geologically impossible for it to happen, and the reasons for that have been discussed to death on this board already.
When in doubt, insult somebody. A common tactic when you run out of ideas.
Find one astronomer who can say that with a straight face and post a link.
But you claim that the Bible is truth. So this is a contradiction, because the truth is that bats are not birds and rabbits don't chew cud.
I await your response.
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Nice try, but you weren't chosen to be one of them. I applaud your choice of the word "writers" in lieu of authors. The author is the Holy Spirit.
I'm going to start by saying I don't believe there is life on other planets (at least in our dimension) in the universe. However, with all of the sightings and abductions, there is definitely something going on. I personally believe it is demonic, but that is for another thread. Nevertheless, these reptilians are frequently reported in alien abduction accounts. They appear to be in charge and are more ruthless than the grays. So no, I don't discount a reptile or serpent talking.
We have the best medical care IN MODERN TIMES, but you are neglecting the period before the flood again. And I'm going to play my pyramid card here. The great pyramid is built to such exacting standards, we couldnt even come close today. The north/south/east/west alignment is perfect. The thing had to have been laid out with lasers or some other hi tech measuring technique. Please don't play the alien card. I explained where I was going with that remark. And after about 5,000 years it hasn't settled.
By the way, when archaeologists first went into the pyramid, they found salt deposits a couple mm thick up to about half the height inside in some places. The salt was consistant with evaporated sea water. I wonder where that could have come from in the middle of the desert?
Tectonic shift my grandmother's Edsel. A tectonic shift in the middle of a continent doesn't bring the sea fossils in from the coast.
How about a polar shift? Scientists say several have happened already. Mastadons have been found in Siberia with undigested tropical plant matter in their mouths and digestive tract. Doesn't sound like the climate change took too long. Although I must say that if this board has made this decision, who am I to dispute it?
I didn't dream this up. The department head of mechanical cosmology (I think that's what they call the study of celestial mechanics and the physics involved with heavenly bodies.) at a leading university, (I think it is Harvard), is doing some computer simulations. I will see if there is anything available on the web. I heard this through a scientist who used to be involved with NASA.
Most people are aware of the pictures on Mars and all of the speculation of past life on the planet, etc. The real intrigue comes when you consider that ancient cultures really had a thing for Mars. Yet, unless you're an astronomer you won't even know where to find the little dot in the sky. Yet Mars was the big bad god of the Greeks, and had the same name as this planet.
Next consider that over 10 ancient calendars had 360 day years. All of these calendars were changed to allow for the 365-1/4 days that are now in a year. This change took place about 700 BC. Mars has a year of just under 720 days. I don't recall the exact number.
The hypothesis is that Mars, which is about 1/4 the mass of Earth, would pass close to Earth about every 720 years or so. I'm talking REAL close, like the last close pass being quite a bit closer than the moon. Whichever planet would "lead" this near miss would be pulled back, or decelerated, while the lagging planet would be accelerated. The last close call was so close that Mars got shot out and the orbits no longer come so close. If I recall the time period correctly, this would put the previous close pass around 1500 BC. I think this is close to the time of Joshua.
I did't put this in here to justify my answer. I just think it's one of the coolest hypotheses I've heard in a long time.
Thanks for the discussion.
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Nathan Poe:
I have had a humbling experience. No, not the Easter account, trying to put it onto a post without losing it!
I haven't messed around with one of these boards before, so this is all a new experience to me. This will be my third time typing out my reaction to the Easter accounts out of the KJV, so it will probably be the briefest because I'm getting tired of typing for nothing.
I was surprised at the apparent differences between the accounts. However, after giving due consideration to four separate accounts by one partial eye-witness and three non-witness writers, they are quite close. But they are not without discrepancy.
The only things I really count as discrepancy are some first meetings in Galilee, and some in Jerusalem, and when Peter went to the gravesite.
Otherwise, if these four accounts were given independently to police for an event as involved as this, there would be no problem. In fact if they were closer, there would possibly be suspicion of collaboration.
But YES, YOU WERE RIGHT. <IMG onmouseover="this.style.cursor='hand';" style="CURSOR: hand" onclick="smilie('
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Thanks for the chat.
I have had a humbling experience. No, not the Easter account, trying to put it onto a post without losing it!
I haven't messed around with one of these boards before, so this is all a new experience to me. This will be my third time typing out my reaction to the Easter accounts out of the KJV, so it will probably be the briefest because I'm getting tired of typing for nothing.
I was surprised at the apparent differences between the accounts. However, after giving due consideration to four separate accounts by one partial eye-witness and three non-witness writers, they are quite close. But they are not without discrepancy.
The only things I really count as discrepancy are some first meetings in Galilee, and some in Jerusalem, and when Peter went to the gravesite.
Otherwise, if these four accounts were given independently to police for an event as involved as this, there would be no problem. In fact if they were closer, there would possibly be suspicion of collaboration.
But YES, YOU WERE RIGHT. <IMG onmouseover="this.style.cursor='hand';" style="CURSOR: hand" onclick="smilie('
');" alt=bow src="http://www.christianforums.com/images/smilies/bow.gif" border=0>Now extract your pound of flesh and get it over with! I need to diet anyway, summer is coming. <IMG onmouseover="this.style.cursor='hand';" style="CURSOR: hand" onclick="smilie(':o');" alt=what src="http://www.christianforums.com/images/smilies/redface.gif" border=0>
Thanks for the chat.
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Can God use Dreams to communicate?
Can God use parables to communicate?
Can God uses metaphors to communicate, to make thing easier for MAN to understand?
You know metaphors are not literal if you look in the dictionary
Can God use parables to communicate?
Can God uses metaphors to communicate, to make thing easier for MAN to understand?
You know metaphors are not literal if you look in the dictionary
Today at 02:46 AM Follower of Christ said this in Post #44
Gee, correct if I am wrong, but wasnt that in a dream that Daniel was interpreting?
Which would have definetly pointed out that the cows were NOT real cows.
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JohnR7
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They don't? How do you know, maybe they just don't talk when your around, our maybe you don't speak their language.
http://www.exmormon.org/boards/honestboard/messages/1550.html
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Nathan Poe
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Well, obviously, Eve was fluent in snake language. When did humans lose this talent? At Babel?
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JohnR7
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Oh Yeah, we all know the origional language was nothing but grunts and groans. That is why the word sex is just a adaptation of the hissing sound of a snake. We did all see 'Clan of the Bears' didn't we?
Language experts believe the origional language was what they call Adamic or Edenic. All the languages of the world can find their roots in whatever language they spoke in the Garden of Eden before the tower of Babel. Ancient Hebrew is said to be the closest to the origional language.
The tower of Babel was of course a ziggurat. They were temples to a god other than the God who created the universe. A famous god back then esp. in the Chaldean City of Ur was the god Sin.
Ur I have been told is the best preserved ancient city.
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Nathan Poe
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John, I think the site is malfunctioning. I seem to be missing the link you of course would have included to support this claim.
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Just a few responses to things I've read.
#1 - When Jesus was about to tell a parable, He said He was. That's how you know it is a parable. The old testament doesn't say "this is a parable".
#2 - To Osthuvud - The scripture you quoted about why Jesus used parables tells us He used them so the people COULD understand, not so they couldn't. The deciples didn't need parables because they COULD understand without them.
#3 - God IS a loving God. I pray that someday you will know Him so that you will understand this. Only by His forgiveness will you ever understand how much He loves you. He even loves those of you who are so obviously hate him or are holding something against him.
#4 - The Bible tells us that we shouldn't stop at salvation. Why should we read the Bible if we've given our life to Jesus? Because by reading God's word we learn His ways. ( I can't remember the reference...I was just studying it) When we understand His ways (which we will never fully here on earth) we will be able to live more the way he wants us to. Why should we pray when he already has a plan? Because as our Father, he wants us to talk to Him.
#1 - When Jesus was about to tell a parable, He said He was. That's how you know it is a parable. The old testament doesn't say "this is a parable".
#2 - To Osthuvud - The scripture you quoted about why Jesus used parables tells us He used them so the people COULD understand, not so they couldn't. The deciples didn't need parables because they COULD understand without them.
#3 - God IS a loving God. I pray that someday you will know Him so that you will understand this. Only by His forgiveness will you ever understand how much He loves you. He even loves those of you who are so obviously hate him or are holding something against him.
#4 - The Bible tells us that we shouldn't stop at salvation. Why should we read the Bible if we've given our life to Jesus? Because by reading God's word we learn His ways. ( I can't remember the reference...I was just studying it) When we understand His ways (which we will never fully here on earth) we will be able to live more the way he wants us to. Why should we pray when he already has a plan? Because as our Father, he wants us to talk to Him.
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Hi Tracie, You said:
If that's the case, why did they ask him what the parables meant down in verse 36-51?
If that's the case, why did they ask him what the parables meant down in verse 36-51?
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