Are we Anglicans now?

chevyontheriver · Jan 31, 2024

Maybe it's a deep fake picture. Maybe not.

Michie · Jan 31, 2024

RileyG · Jan 31, 2024

It's essentially a prayer, not an official "blessing."

chevyontheriver · Jan 31, 2024

RileyG said:
It's essentially a prayer, not an official "blessing."

You were there?

It sure looks like a blessing. Of course maybe it's one of those new spontaneous non-liturgical blessings where nobody is wearing wedding clothes and it can't be mistaken for a real blessing. Is that what it is?

RileyG · Jan 31, 2024

chevyontheriver said:
You were there?

It sure looks like a blessing. Of course maybe it's one of those new spontaneous non-liturgical blessings where nobody is wearing wedding clothes and it can't be mistaken for a real blessing. Is that what it is?

No.

I said it wrong. Essentially, it's not an actual blessing because Anglicans do not have the authority to properly bless people. If anything, it's a prayer.

Michie · Jan 31, 2024

RileyG said:
No.

I said it wrong. Essentially, it's not an actual blessing because Anglicans do not have the authority to properly bless people. If anything, it's a prayer.

What about the witness here? What does it look like?

RileyG · Jan 31, 2024

Michie said:
What about the witness here? What does it look like?

True. An Anglican "blessing" I suppose. (?)

Michie · Jan 31, 2024

RileyG said:
True. An Anglican "blessing" I suppose. (?)

Indeed it does.

WarriorAngel · Jan 31, 2024

Reminds me of when St Peter was met with St Paul that he was acting wrong [and potentially making it look bad] in front of gentile converts...
It is possible that rabbi's were blessing Peter... but I understand actions need to be discerned.

chevyontheriver · Jan 31, 2024

Michie said:

I have yet to hear anyone claim it's an AI generated deep fake. So I'm going to go out on a limb and I'll presume it's real.

Michie · Jan 31, 2024

chevyontheriver said:
I have yet to hear anyone claim it's an AI generated deep fake. So I'm going to go out on a limb and I'll presume it's real.

I looked it up and an Anglican site was describing the meeting. It did not say much about what is pictured though.

chevyontheriver · Jan 31, 2024

chevyontheriver said:
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Fr Calvin Robinson
@calvinrobinson
Calvin John Robinson (born 29 October 1985) is a British Old Catholic cleric, conservative political commentator, writer and broadcaster. Since 2023, he has been a priest in the Nordic Catholic Church, an Old Catholic denomination of high church Lutheran patrimony; from 2022 until his priestly ordination,

"Can someone please explain to me what is happening here? Is this unity or heresy? Either a) Anglican orders are now seen as valid in the eyes of Rome, in which case Pope Francis is overriding Apostolicae Curae and undermining Pope Leo XIII. Would that have an impact on Papal Infallibility? Or b) Pope Francis is receiving a pontifical blessing from someone his Church declares to be a heretic. Would that mean Pope Francis is embracing heresy? Is there a more charitable interpretation?"

Gnarwhal · Feb 1, 2024

chevyontheriver said:
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Maybe it's a deep fake picture. Maybe not.

Maybe it's the pope's plan to subversively take our cathedrals back in the UK.

chevyontheriver · Feb 1, 2024

Gnarwhal said:
Maybe it's the pope's plan to subversively take our cathedrals back in the UK.

Now THAT could be a good thing.

As the Church of England continues to shrink they will have less and less capacity to maintain those buildings. There are more Catholics at mass on Sundays in England than there are attending the state religion. Of course there are more Muslims at mosques on Friday than either.

There is another picture from the same event where the pope blesses the archbishop of Canterbury. So it seems reciprocal. But to me it still seems odd. I guess I could see an Orthodox patriarch and the Catholic pope blessing each other. But to me what happened in the OP picture seems to say we are Anglicans now. In that other picture it seems to say Anglicans are Catholics now. Which to me would mean we have adopted the same teaching. Women priests and women bishops, abortion, all the woke stuff of Anglicanism, blessing homosexual unions, the whole nine yards.

Or maybe the Catholic and Anglican bishops of Africa could come together. They substantially agree already. If the pope doesn't want them and the archbishop of Canterbury doesn't want them ....

chevyontheriver · Feb 1, 2024

Michie said:
What about the witness here? What does it look like?

Looks like a pope submitting to Anglicanism. Kind of the opposite of what Gavin Ashenden did when he became Catholic.

Wolseley · Feb 1, 2024

chevyontheriver said:
There is another picture from the same event where the pope blesses the archbishop of Canterbury.

So we have a picture of a heterodox pope and a schismatic archbishop blessing one another.

Sort of reminds me of this old Bill Mauldin cartoon showing the Soviet Army awarding high honors to its soldiers:

Wolseley · Feb 1, 2024

(The two guys in the cartoon, if anybody's interested, are Alexander Vasilevsky, Deputy People's Commissar of Defense [on the left], and Georgy Zhukov, Deputy People's Commissar of the Defense of the Soviet Union [on the right].

(Spiffy titles, eh?)

WarriorAngel · Feb 1, 2024

chevyontheriver said:
I have yet to hear anyone claim it's an AI generated deep fake. So I'm going to go out on a limb and I'll presume it's real.

Main leader of the Anglican communion gives
a putative priestly blessing to the Pope. The
leader was blessed in return.
Rome, June 16, 2014

Ecumenical meeting.

ADDRESS OF HIS HOLINESS POPE FRANCIS
TO MEMBERS OF THE ANGLICAN-ROMAN CATHOLIC INTERNATIONAL COMMISSION

Thursday, 30 April 2015

To the Members of the Anglican-Roman Catholic International Commission (30 April 2015) | Francis

Address to the Members of the Anglican-Roman Catholic International Commission, 30 April 2015

www.vatican.va

Gnarwhal · Feb 1, 2024

chevyontheriver said:
As the Church of England continues to shrink they will have less and less capacity to maintain those buildings. There are more Catholics at mass on Sundays in England than there are attending the state religion. Of course there are more Muslims at mosques on Friday than either.

I think about it a lot. If the Church of England just dwindled into nothingness—which seems like a legitimate possibility in the next century—what would the British Monarch be head of? And if that were the case I wonder if it'd be even just one iota easier for a popular movement or the Crown to reverse the English ~~reformation~~ rebellion and untangle/undo all the anti Catholic laws (like the Acts of Supremacy).

chevyontheriver · Feb 1, 2024

Gnarwhal said:
I think about it a lot. If the Church of England just dwindled into nothingness—which seems like a legitimate possibility in the next century—what would the British Monarch be head of? And if that were the case I wonder if it'd be even just one iota easier for a popular movement or the Crown to reverse the English ~~reformation~~ rebellion and untangle/undo all the anti Catholic laws (like the Acts of Supremacy).

I suspect we had our last best chance for a conversion with the late queen. She had some Catholic leanings that probably expired with her.

King Charles styles himself as the 'Defender of Religions' which is maybe a polite way of saying the Church of England is morbid and so he widens his scope. Or that he thinks he should be in charge of all the religions of the realm. Caesaropapism has been the norm for Anglicans in Britain but it has also been the norm for Islam. It has never been much of a thing for Catholics.

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