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Politicians sometimes call for actual violence

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Thank God - Trump did not do that for Jan 6.

In fact he did not do most of what you find in this clip --


They use the "good for us when we do it and much more ... but bad for you when you get accused of doing it by us"
Good video. It was missing Maxine waters. She encouraged crowds to get in their faces, wherever they are to confront them in their daily lives. The store, a restaurant, get in their faces. And they did.
 
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For about 3 generations in America, the Department of Justice has gone
a bit soft on holding Americans responsible for what they say.

Public language has gotten more and more violent, but the younger
generations have gotten used to the practice of NOT holding people
responsible for what they say.

Of course, if you advocate violence against some politically correct
group, THEN the younger generations will get emotionally worked
up about this outrage.

This dual standard, has got to stop.

We do have "freedom of speech" in America, as a guaranteed right.
But we do not have, embedded in that right, the immunity from
prosecution for advocating lawless and violent actions.

If we speak about philosophical concepts, then we can civilly discuss
all sorts of worldviews and principles, without advocating them.

But if we start to advocate lawless violence, then we reasonably should
expect to be prosecuted for that action.

An analogy would be the free will that we have in driving.
We do have free will, to drive lawlessly.
In one sense, no one can stop us from speeding (for example).
But this free will does not give us immunity from breaking the
rules of the road.

Unfortunately, the younger generations in America have severed moral-ethical
responsibility, from the "freedom of speech" that we have, under the
Constitution of the United States, and its Bill of Rights.
 
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Thank God - Trump did not do that for Jan 6.

In fact he did not do most of what you find in this clip --


They use the "good for us when we do it and much more ... but bad for you when you get accused of doing it by us"

And yet Trump's fans bought into his Stop the Steal con and stormed the Capitol while Schumer's and Pelosi's fans did little more than buy some pink hats and put Black Lives Matter signs in their yards.

So what's your argument then? That Schumer's and Pelosi's audiences are a bunch of normal people who can identify over-the-top rhetoric for what it is while Trump's audience is a bunch of easily-duped lunatics? Personally, I'd hold the guy at the lectern responsible for knowing his audience a bit better than that, but that's just me.
 
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Schumer's and Pelosi's audiences are a bunch of normal people who can identify over-the-top rhetoric for what it is while Trump's audience is a bunch of easily-duped lunatics?
Christians say the nicest things about each other.
 
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Christians say the nicest things about each other.
Well, one group got whipped into a frenzy over a con job and the other didn’t. Who’s responsible? The pols who spewed the rhetoric or the people who listened to them? If you hold the pols blameless, then I don’t see how you arrive at any other conclusion than the one I proposed.

Again, that’s not my take- I do hold Trump responsible. That’s the implication of the position of those who don’t.
 
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Well, one group got whipped into a frenzy over a con job and the other didn’t. Who’s responsible? The pols who spewed the rhetoric or the people who listened to them? If you hold the pols blameless, then I don’t see how you arrive at any other conclusion than the one I proposed.

Again, that’s not my take- I do hold Trump responsible. That’s the implication of the position of those who don’t.

I haven't seen nor heard any evidence that Trump is guilty of a crime. Can you send me a link with convincing video/audio? Thanks!
 
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I haven't seen nor heard any evidence that Trump is guilty of a crime. Can you send me a link with convincing video/audio? Thanks!
Who said anything about a crime? I didn’t.
 
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