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Vatican: Small Part of Cremated Ashes Can Be Kept in Personal Place in Certain Cases

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The cardinal also said that it is permissible for the commingled ashes of deceased and baptized persons to be set aside in a permanent sacred place if the names of the person are indicated so as to not lose memory of them.

Under certain circumstances, it may be permissible for a Catholic to keep a small portion of a deceased loved one’s ashes in a personal place of significance if some conditions are met, according to the Vatican’s Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith.

The guidance came from a letter written by Cardinal Víctor Manuel Fernández, who serves as the prefect for the dicastery. The recently published letter was sent in response to an inquiry from Cardinal Matteo Maria Zuppi, the archbishop of Bologna, Italy.

According to Cardinal Fernández, the ecclesiastical authority may consider and evaluate a request from a deceased person’s family “to preserve in an appropriate way a minimal part of the ashes of their relative in a place of significance for the history of the deceased person.”

However, this can only be the case if the family rejects “every type of pantheistic, naturalistic, or nihilistic misunderstanding,” the letter emphasized. It added that the ashes of the deceased “are [to be] kept in a sacred place.”

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When my dad (who was not Catholic) passed away, he was cremated; we got the cremains back in a little brown plastic box, which was itself inside a white cardboard container. My mom placed it on the countertop between the kitchen and living room "so he can be near me." :)

When Mom (who was Catholic) died two and a half years later, she was also cremated, mainly for the same reasons Dad was: economy. The cost of a traditional funeral in Michigan could buy you an F-15 Eagle with a year's worth of JP-4 to fly it with. :mad: Having them cremated and foregoing the fancy coffin and all the rest of the folderol was unbelievably more affordable.

Anyway, Mom's cremains came back the same way: inside a little brown plastic box, inside a white cardboard container. We took both sets to the cemetery of Mom's parish, and they were interred side-by-side, where they remain. The sexton dug the hole, the priest said some words, and Yours Truly placed the boxes in it, and filled it in with a shovel in me own two lily-white hands, so there was no interment cost. :) I never saw anything wrong with what we did.
 
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When my dad (who was not Catholic) passed away, he was cremated; we got the cremains back in a little brown plastic box, which was itself inside a white cardboard container. My mom placed it on the countertop between the kitchen and living room "so he can be near me." :)

When Mom (who was Catholic) died two and a half years later, she was also cremated, mainly for the same reasons Dad was: economy. The cost of a traditional funeral in Michigan could buy you an F-15 Eagle with a year's worth of JP-4 to fly it with. :mad: Having them cremated and foregoing the fancy coffin and all the rest of the folderol was unbelievably more affordable.

Anyway, Mom's cremains came back the same way: inside a little brown plastic box, inside a white cardboard container. We took both sets to the cemetery of Mom's parish, and they were interred side-by-side, where they remain. The sexton dug the hole, the priest said some words, and Yours Truly placed the boxes in it, and filled it in with a shovel in me own two lily-white hands, so there was no interment cost. :) I never saw anything wrong with what we did.
May they rest in peace!
 
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The cardinal also said that it is permissible for the commingled ashes of deceased and baptized persons to be set aside in a permanent sacred place if the names of the person are indicated so as to not lose memory of them.

Under certain circumstances, it may be permissible for a Catholic to keep a small portion of a deceased loved one’s ashes in a personal place of significance if some conditions are met, according to the Vatican’s Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith.

The guidance came from a letter written by Cardinal Víctor Manuel Fernández, who serves as the prefect for the dicastery. The recently published letter was sent in response to an inquiry from Cardinal Matteo Maria Zuppi, the archbishop of Bologna, Italy.

According to Cardinal Fernández, the ecclesiastical authority may consider and evaluate a request from a deceased person’s family “to preserve in an appropriate way a minimal part of the ashes of their relative in a place of significance for the history of the deceased person.”

However, this can only be the case if the family rejects “every type of pantheistic, naturalistic, or nihilistic misunderstanding,” the letter emphasized. It added that the ashes of the deceased “are [to be] kept in a sacred place.”

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It's creepy. It's like saying you don't need to put the whole body in the casket but you can keep a foot at home.

I think this is a wrong decision.
 
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I have part of the ashes of my mom, my sister and my first husband. I would really rather have them inurned in a cemetery. When I can afford to, I will have them respectfully buried.
 
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DICASTERIUM PRO DOCTRINA FIDEI

NOTE FOR THE AUDIENCE WITH THE HOLY FATHER
(9 December 2023)

Reply to His Eminence, Cardinal Matteo Maria Zuppi,
Archbishop of Bologna,
Regarding Two Questions About the Preservation
of the Ashes of the Deceased Following Cremation



In a letter dated 30 October 2023 (Prot. No. 2537), Cardinal Matteo Maria Zuppi, Archbishop of Bologna, addressed two questions to the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith regarding the preservation of the ashes of the deceased following cremation.

In particular, His Eminence reported that he had formed a commission in the Archdiocese of Bologna to give a Christian response to problems arising from the increasing number of people desiring to cremate the bodies of the deceased and scatter their ashes in nature. The commission also seeks to ensure that economic motivations (due to the lower cost of scattering ashes) do not prevail, and it seeks, moreover, to give indications regarding what to do with the ashes once the term for their preservation has expired.

To ensure correspondence not only with the requests of family members but, more importantly, with the Christian proclamation of the resurrection of the body and the respect due to it, the Archbishop of Bologna asked the following questions:

1. Taking into account the canonical prohibition against scattering the ashes of the deceased, is it possible to prepare a defined and permanent sacred place for the commingled accumulation and preservation of the ashes of the baptized, indicating the basic details of each person so as not to lose the memory of their names, similar to what occurs in ossuaries, where the mineralized remains of the deceased are cumulatively deposited and preserved?
2. Can a family be allowed to keep a portion of their family member’s ashes in a place that is significant for the history of the deceased?
After giving due consideration to these questions, it was decided to answer them in the following way:

1) In paragraph 5 of the Instruction “Ad resurgendum cum Christo: Regarding the Burial of the Deceased and the Conservation of the Ashes in the Case of Cremation”, published by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith on 15 August 2016, the Congregation addresses the question of preserving ashes in special urns. It states that ashes must be kept in a sacred place, such as a cemetery, or in an area dedicated to this purpose, provided that it has been so designated by the ecclesiastical authority.

Pastoral reasons for this regulation are also given: “The reservation of the ashes of the departed in a sacred place ensures that they are not excluded from the prayers and remembrance of their family or the Christian community. It prevents the faithful departed from being forgotten, or their remains from being shown a lack of respect, which eventuality is possible, most especially once the immediately subsequent generation has too passed away. Also it prevents any unfitting or superstitious practices” (par. 5). This regulation still retains all its validity.

2) Our faith tells us that we will be raised with the same bodily identity, which is material (like every creature on earth), even though that matter will be transfigured, freed from the limitations of this world. The resurrection will be “in this flesh in which we now live” (Formula “Fides Damasi”); in this way, any harmful dualism between the material and immaterial is avoided.

This transformation, however, does not imply the recuperation of the identical particles of matter that once formed the human being’s body. Therefore, the body of the resurrected person will not necessarily consist of the same elements that it had before it died. Since it is not a simple revivification of the corpse, the resurrection can occur even if the body has been totally destroyed or dispersed. This helps us understand why, in many cinerary urns, the ashes of the deceased are conserved together and are not stored separately.

3) The ashes of the deceased person, moreover, come from the material remains that were part of the person’s historical journey—so much so that the Church shows particular care and devotion concerning the relics of the saints. This attention and remembrance also leads us to have an attitude of sacred respect toward the ashes of the deceased, which we conserve in a sacred place suitable for prayer, sometimes located near the churches visited by the family and neighbors of the deceased.

4) Therefore:

A) For the reasons listed above, a defined and permanent sacred place can be set aside for the commingled accumulation and preservation of the ashes of deceased baptized persons, indicating the identity of each person so as not to lose the memory of their names.

B) In addition, the ecclesiastical authority, in compliance with current civil norms, may consider and evaluate a request by a family to preserve in an appropriate way a minimal part of the ashes of their relative in a place of significance for the history of the deceased person, provided that every type of pantheistic, naturalistic, or nihilistic misunderstanding is ruled out and also provided that the ashes of the deceased are kept in a sacred place.


Víctor Manuel Card. Fernández
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I've been urging my parents to bury my grandmas, both of whom are cremated. My paternal grandma died several years ago and my maternal grandma died three years ago, I know the latter hasn't been buried yet first because she died during covid and then after that my uncle was having some weird issues and pushing back on burial. I don't get why.

But I told my mom on All Souls Day we need to bury her as an act of mercy and she responded to that so hopefully at least she'll be buried within the next year. My paternal grandma I feel like my dad's forgotten that she isn't buried. Probably because both his sisters died within a year of his mom dying so it's all muddled to him (especially with his cognitive issues now). Plus she's supposed to be buried with my grandpa and his grave is 112 miles away in another county.

This post is a good reminder that I need to light a fire under my parents to have them buried ASAP.
 
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It's creepy. It's like saying you don't need to put the whole body in the casket but you can keep a foot at home.

I think this is a wrong decision.
It does seem to violate something important. It is true that the Lord (I believe) will have no problems resurrecting men lost at sea - I would reason or speculate that the immortal soul carries within it every bit of information needed to assemble or reassemble the body, either with the atoms of the first creation, or the purely spiritual "atoms" of the new. But still, there is something about "integrity" that seems violated by intention, when ashes are scattered or divided.

Could it be that the purpose of this change is precisely to weaken the truth of the bodily resurrection to come? I am very suspicious these days.
 
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Could it be that the purpose of this change is precisely to weaken the truth of the bodily resurrection to come? I am very suspicious these days.
I donno. I could speculate but I don’t really want to go there.

OTOH there are relics of the saints and though a bit creepy that seems to present no real problem. The blood of St. Januarius liquified for the Orthodox patriarch just recently. Again, I donno.
 
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I donno. I could speculate but I don’t really want to go there.

OTOH there are relics of the saints and though a bit creepy that seems to present no real problem. The blood of St. Januarius liquified for the Orthodox patriarch just recently. Again, I donno.
Interesting you bring that up. I always wondered about that myself.
 
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It does seem sometimes that we Catholics can find more things to fuss about that you can shake a stick at. :)

The one I always remember was the old saw about "Okay, it's Friday during Lent. You go to the ballpark and forget that it's Friday, and you order a hot dog from the vendor. Halfway through the hot dog, you remember it's Friday. NOW what do you do? If you continue to eat the hot dog, you're breaking the meatless abstention rule, which is a sin. But if you throw the rest of the hot dog away, you're wasting food, which is also a sin. So what do you do?"

My take was, okay, you forgot it was Friday and remembered later. Eat the freakin' hot dog, and go to confession the next day. I doubt that God will ban you from heaven over a hot dog. :)
 
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I donno. I could speculate but I don’t really want to go there.

OTOH there are relics of the saints and though a bit creepy that seems to present no real problem. The blood of St. Januarius liquified for the Orthodox patriarch just recently. Again, I donno.
It is good to go slowly in discerning God's will, and the teachings of men who appear to speak in His Name. But in times of many, many questionable teachings-by-example of men having great titles and offices, at some point we must conclude: truth - or lie? The Lord taught:
Mat 7:15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Mat 7:16 You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles?
Mat 7:17 So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Thus you will know them by their fruits.
The Lord wants us to know them, one way or the other.
 
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“Remember, man, you are dust, and to dust you shall return” (see Gen. 3:19).

As a child, I remember this sobering invocation every year on Ash Wednesday, as our parish priests marked our foreheads with the remnants of the preceding year’s Palm Sunday.

Each Lent, these words and signs served as stark reminders that our time on earth is limited, death is inevitable, and so each of us will have to render an account to the Good Lord (CCC 1021-1022).

In addition, while the soul of the faithful departed ascends to his particular judgment, and the faithful pray for him, the Church remains concerned with his bodily remains, making sure they’re handled in a manner befitting the dignity of a human person, as well as pre-empting any actions that would call into question the resurrection of the body at the end of time (see CCC 997-1004).

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