I'm not saying kids don't have rights and I think this is the problem I am highlighting the assumption that questioning the extent to which Rights based identity politics has hyper focused on rights and identity as the ultimate measure of what is best or real in the situation.
I am saying that yes its justified to highlight any breaches of rights but that making a subjective idea about what is individual rights and then making this the be all and end all of what is true is just as extreme.
Especially considering that what is determined as morally right is based on a subjective belief about the nature of human behaviour and condition as evidenced by the subjective academic theories they are based on which hold no support.
Actually its a eternal truth that we have come to know through our lived experience over millenia. The idea that bad behaviour towards others was punished, that there was a system of rules that society lived by for very good reason because it threatened the livelihoods and stability. Law and order, Rule of Law ect. Those long held truths are what is being undermined by progressive ideas, assumptions about how to bring up kids.
People knew which line not to cross, there was respect for authority, even if people did not understand what that authority was there for. It was a different mentality not because of time or place but because of belief about human nature being something beyond social constructions.
This is just word salad.
People still punish bad behavior. Rights aren’t subjective. Rules still exist. Parents still enforce them. And there’s a distinct irony of the “back in my day we spanked and punished and our kids turned out fine” but then also looking at those kids who are now parents and saying “they aren’t effective parents.”
So which is it? They turned out fine or they’re not great parents?
Maybe so but blaming one aspect past behaviour doesn't explain present behaviour nor justify its denial and continuation. If the present generations are reacting to past treatment in a negative and unhealthy way then we need to address that face on. Acknowledge it for what it is and not because some oppressive system of the past is at fault.
So it sounds like your generation just wants to hear they were great parents and had it all figured out. Don’t use the past as an example of fault, move on with your life and don’t dwell, but do acknowledge how back in my day kids had respect for authority and were better behaved and the world was better for it.
That inherently is the problem with the whole “back in my day” argument. You say everybody turned out great, society is better, kids were better, then you see those kids as adults and parents who opt to not do something because of how it negatively impacted them, then you cry about how adults these days are lost and yielding lost children.
This is the generation of parents you raised. You want the parade for what you think you did right, but not the criticism for what you didn’t.
The fact is many of the changes are engineered based on an ideological belief about how society should be ordered. Thats not a reaction thats a specific pushing on an ideology onto society. Whether it be because of the past, or beliefs about nature and reality its more about morality than the science and its actually causing more harm than good..
Word salad. Ideologies have always been a part of society.
We often hear this narrative that men don't have it so bad and are just complaining because they are losing their power. Its like only certain experiences are worthy of being recognised. On the one hand they call for feelings and experiences to be real and valid and on the other dismiss those feelings and experiences when they threaten their own sense of reality.
Oh brother.
Nobody is saying you can’t feel that way. You can feel whatever way you want. When people say “feelings are valid,” they’re not saying that the feeling you have is right and unchallangable, they’re saying they’re inevitable.
That still means when people try to say “poor men, we have it so hard these days because we’re now not regarded as a plane above like we were in the past and that makes it difficult,” people can (and should) say “get over yourself, you aren’t a victim.”
When the worthy identities suffer its the fault of the evil oppressors, white males. But when they suffer it’s their own fault. LIke theres something special about true victims that certain identities can never have. That could not be further from the truth and perhaps reveals the ideological beliefs behind this which was originall pushed by certain groups during the cultural revolution of the 60s and 70s.
White men are not victims in current society and have not been victims in past society. And if you’re still stewing on the cultural revolution of the 60s and 70s where people pushed for women and minorities representation and rights, you need to join the now.
When we actually look at the reality of what this ideology has caused, men are suffering at the expense of pushing such ideologies. They have the highest suicide and homeless rates, they die younger than women, they are more likely to be killed through their work, by assault and in war. They are more likely to end up in jail and more likely to lose their kids which contributes to their poor mental health.
As women have gained better access through activism and policy change feminising education males have fallen behind as a result. Males now have poorer education results across all levels of education. Females now gain more degrees than males. Males have very high drop out rates. They are also being phased out of work through more feminised work environment. There are many more disadvantages that can be named.
To say that the males plight is their own fault, that society has not actually engineered this to happen is rather dimissive and unreal and actually contradicts the idea applied to other groups that human experience should be listened to. Males have been so misaligned that no wonder theres an identity crisis amoung males and not just adults but many male childrn and adolescents who are born into this new world.
And its not just the male identity. Its happening across all areas wherever people can divide society based on identity. Women are worse off and more unhappy, and young people no matter who they are all unhappy. Everyone is warring against each other based on their subjective sense of self rather than uniting as one people. So certainly the promised equal utopia of these groups has not happened but rather its got worse.
So what you’re saying is that without that intrinsic leg up that they’ve come to rely on for literal generations, men are less educated, less competitive in jobs, more likely to be criminals, more unfit parents, and struggle mentally.
Sounds like men are fairly weak and didn’t deserve that leg up to begin with and the whole “men run things because they’re men” model is garbage to begin with as they are an unstable lot.
Sorry not sorry, but I don’t feel bad at all for men who are upset that education represents all genders and minorities, not just white men. I don’t feel bad that you now have to compete with women in the workplace to advance. You can regurgitate all the carefully cultivated statistics you want, but you’re just bitter that in generations past things were handed to men by virtue of the fact that they have penises and now they have to work like everybody else to succeed in life.
Men are not victims. Some of them very desperately want to be victims because they want pity and feel that pity gives them power, but that doesn’t make them victims. It’s a joke to claim men are marginalized victims and it’s completely impossible to take anybody who says such a thing seriously. It shows such a lack of knowledge and demonstrates innate, learned biases that are, thankfully, becoming artifacts. The sputtering last words of the “back in my day” generation as they die off or fade into irrelevance. An irrelevance they chose to embrace.
