Texas Power Crisis

rambot · Nov 6, 2023

HARK! said:
That's an interesting suggestion. As some who is skilled at driving in snow and ice, I went driving that day. The accidents that I witnessed abounded. I heard sirens throughout the day. However this is just anecdotal evidence. Maybe the Bermuda Triangle just happened to shift for that day to follow me.

Nope. Anecdotes are the one proof we can count on. Especially in this day and age on the internet when people always tell the truth online to prove their point. You should DEFINITELY only use anecdotal evidence. But you do need to make sure you follow it up with a snarky comment to TRULY drive the validity of your point home.

Pommer · Nov 6, 2023

HARK! said:
So?

They revised the data…because they had compiled more in the extra two months they had in between your link, and my link. It’s “fresher”.

HARK! · Nov 6, 2023

Pommer said:
They revised the data…because they had compiled more in the extra two months they had in between your link, and my link. It’s “fresher”.

That's funny. My link is your link. My post is a quote from your link. :scratch:

Pommer · Nov 6, 2023

HARK! said:
That's funny. My link is your link. My post is a quote from your link.

Brain not function so good after 60.
Still 245 deaths due to severe cold conditions seems a mite high even for a place as large and populated as Texas. It’s an outlier, obviously and wasn’t as near as bad for ‘22, (probably).
I haven’t seen if there has been any legislation in Texas to get away from the “only Texas“ power grid they had troubles with, I suspect not.

SimplyMe · Nov 7, 2023

HARK! said:
Not everything.

I don't know where you were, nothing I could see in Houston was open.

HARK! said:
I had somewhere to go.

That's nice.

HARK! said:
I had gas.

Yes, I had gas in my tank, too. I'm just saying that, for those trying to leave the state, they ran a strong risk of running out of gas before hitting a border.

HARK! said:
That's not my recollection.

Ok

HARK! · Nov 7, 2023

Pommer said:
Still 245 deaths due to severe cold conditions

Don't forget the ice, and Texans who don't know how to drive on it were spinning off the roads. How many of those 245 actually froze to death "due to severe cold conditions?"

HARK! · Nov 7, 2023

Pommer said:
I haven’t seen if there has been any legislation in Texas to get away from the “only Texas“ power grid they had troubles with, I suspect not.

Do you have any evidence that being tied into the national grid prevents power outages?

wing2000 · Nov 7, 2023

HARK! said:
Do you have any evidence that being tied into the national grid prevents power outages?

It's only logical that having more options for back up power leads to greater grid resiliency.

rambot · Nov 7, 2023

HARK! said:
Don't forget the ice, and Texans who don't know how to drive on it were spinning off the roads. How many of those 245 actually froze to death "due to severe cold conditions?"

Its outlined in provided sources if you choose to read them

DaisyDay · Nov 7, 2023

HARK! said:
That's an interesting suggestion. As some who is skilled at driving in snow and ice, I went driving that day. The accidents that I witnessed abounded. I heard sirens throughout the day. However this is just anecdotal evidence. Maybe the Bermuda Triangle just happened to shift for that day to follow me.

I don’t doubt that there were many, many traffic accidents considering that many Texas drivers didn’t have the experience to drive in ice and snow and many probably didn’t have proper tires to handle the conditions, but slipping off the road at a slow speed is rarely fatal. Just getting stuck in snow may require a tow. So while I don’t doubt you did see a lot of accidents, they were very likely to have been at slow speeds which would be more inconvenient than deadly - except for those who succumbed to hypothermia while awaiting help.

rambot · Nov 7, 2023

DaisyDay said:
I don’t doubt that there were many, many traffic accidents considering that many Texas drivers didn’t have the experience to drive in ice and snow and many probably didn’t have proper tires to handle the conditions, but slipping off the road at a slow speed is rarely fatal. Just getting stuck in snow may require a tow. So while I don’t doubt you did see a lot of accidents, they were very likely to have been at slow speeds which would be more inconvenient than deadly - except for those who succumbed to hypothermia while awaiting help.

I seem to remember reading a stat that said that 11 people died from hypothermia from being stuck in their car (for different reasons)

HARK! · Nov 7, 2023

DaisyDay said:
I don’t doubt that there were many, many traffic accidents considering that many Texas drivers didn’t have the experience to drive in ice and snow and many probably didn’t have proper tires to handle the conditions, but slipping off the road at a slow speed is rarely fatal. Just getting stuck in snow may require a tow. So while I don’t doubt you did see a lot of accidents, they were very likely to have been at slow speeds which would be more inconvenient than deadly - except for those who succumbed to hypothermia while awaiting help.

What do you consider to be a slow speed? Have you ever driven in Texas?

HARK! · Nov 7, 2023

wing2000 said:
It's only logical that having more options for back up power leads to greater grid resiliency.

So in other words, no?

rambot · Nov 7, 2023

How the Texas Power Grid Works and Why It Failed

In Texas, just over half of the power comes from natural gas-powered steam generators. Another approximately 25% is generated by wind turbines.5

Natural gas wells and wind turbines aren’t weatherized in Texas’s normally mild climate. So when the winter ice storm hit the state, these sources mostly failed. Texas’s power demand usually peaks during hot summers, with minimal need for heating during mostly mild winters. During the winter storm, residents stayed home, pushing demand beyond the already diminished capacity.6

The state wasn’t prepared for the massive storm and falling temperatures. The ice and cold left 4.5 million Texans without electricity for days and property damage was estimated at $20 billion.

How Can the State Prevent Future Winter Blackouts?
A wider variety of energy sources is needed in the event that gas and wind again fail. The state needs to monitor its growing population, as incoming residents add burdens to the grid. Properly preparing the gas and wind networks for freezing weather will also prevent blackouts.

That was an interesting article. It's interesting to me that the only reason that Texas is the only state with an (almost completely) closed off grid (they get 10% from others), is because of their size and passing through two time zones that allows a spread out demand during peak hours.

Apparently, reports are that it was the renewable energies that were helping out a LOT during the blackout. It's just too bad because there was a report out recommending that Texas winterize their grid (I believe it came out a little under 10 years ago) and nobody took action on it.

rambot · Nov 7, 2023

HARK! said:
Do you have any evidence that being tied into the national grid prevents power outages?

There is no national grid. There are several zones. Each of these zones act together to help each other. Seems to be doing pretty darn well for everyone else. Of course you'd also have to consider the number of weather events and other catastrophes to provide context to the number of outages...but it seems without considering that.....

DaisyDay · Nov 7, 2023

HARK! said:
What do you consider to be a slow speed? Have you ever driven in Texas?

I have driven in Texas. Both my parents were born in Texas and we lived many a long year there.

To get to the highways, most people have to use local roads which are not plow, sanded and salted nearly as conscientiously as main thoroughfares. How fast do you people go on local roads in hazardous conditions?

wing2000 · Nov 7, 2023

HARK! said:
So in other words, no?

In other words, I am not spending the time to prove a logical point.

Pommer · Nov 7, 2023

HARK! said:
Don't forget the ice, and Texans who don't know how to drive on it were spinning off the roads. How many of those 245 actually froze to death "due to severe cold conditions?"

rambot · Nov 7, 2023

Pommer said:
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I lok at this and think that by the fourth day of the storm, intelligent Texans decided "maybe it isn't really worth it to drive around too much".

Gene2memE · Nov 7, 2023

HARK! said:
Don't forget the ice, and Texans who don't know how to drive on it were spinning off the roads. How many of those 245 actually froze to death "due to severe cold conditions?"

Texas DHS:

"By circumstance and cause of death, 161 (65.4%) winter storm-related deaths were extreme cold exposure-related injuries comprising 158 (64.2%) deaths from hypothermia and three (1.2%) from frostbite."

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