Growing backlash over Harvard students' pro-Palestine letter

Valletta · Oct 10, 2023

The letter, authored by the Harvard Undergraduate Palestine Solidarity Committee, stated that students "hold the Israeli regime entirely responsible for all unfolding violence".
It was co-signed by 33 student groups.

Growing backlash over Harvard students' pro-Palestine letter

Lawmakers and alumni have been angered by the letter, which blames Israel for the unfolding conflict.

www.yahoo.com

Americans need to realize the garbage being taught to our children in school. It is Marxist style propaganda, selling victimhood to them while abandoning the moral principles are government was founded upon, the most important being that our rights come from God.

JustOneWay · Oct 10, 2023

Valletta said:
Americans need to realize the garbage being taught to our children in school. It is Marxist style propaganda, selling victimhood to them while abandoning the moral principles are government was founded upon, the most important being that our rights come from God.

They are in college, and this has little to do with what they were taught in school.

Your post is way off base, and perhaps you should worry about your own indoctrination instead of whining about somebody elses.

Not everybody believes their rights come from God, so saying what you posted means nothing to many.

Akita Suggagaki · Oct 10, 2023

Just some background. Any corrections to be made to this?

WHAT ARE THE ORIGINS OF THE CONFLICT?

The conflict pits Israeli demands for security in what it has long regarded as a hostile region against Palestinian aspirations for a state of their own.

Israel's founding father David Ben-Gurion proclaimed the modern State of Israel on May 14, 1948, establishing a safe-haven for Jews fleeing persecution and seeking a national home on land to which they cite deep ties over generations.

Palestinians lament Israel's creation as the Nakba, or catastrophe, that resulted in their dispossession and blocked their dreams of statehood.

In the war that followed, some 700,000 Palestinians, half the Arab population of what was British-ruled Palestine, fled or were driven from their homes, ending up in Jordan, Lebanon and Syria as well as in Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem.

Israel, a close U.S. ally, contests the assertion it drove Palestinians from their homes and points out it was attacked by five Arab states the day after its creation. Armistice pacts halted the fighting in 1949 but there was no formal peace. Palestinians who stayed put in the war today form the Arab Israeli community, making up about 20% of Israel's population.

Israel invaded Lebanon in 1982 and thousands of Palestinian fighters under Yasser Arafat were evacuated by sea after a 10-week siege. In 2006, war erupted in Lebanon again when Hezbollah militants captured two Israeli soldiers and Israel retaliated.

In 2005 Israel quit Gaza, which it had captured from Egypt in 1967. But Gaza saw major flare-ups in 2006, 2008, 2012, 2014 and 2021 that involved Israeli air raids and Palestinian rocket fire, and sometimes also cross border incursions by either side.

As well as wars, there have been two Palestinian intifadas or uprisings between 1987-1993 and again in 2000-05. The second saw waves of Hamas suicide bombings against Israelis.

WHAT ARE THE MAIN ISRAELI-PALESTINIAN ISSUES?

A two-state solution, Israeli settlements, the status of Jerusalem, and refugees are at the core of the dispute.

Two-state solution - an agreement that would create a state for the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip alongside Israel. Hamas rejects the two-state solution and is sworn to Israel's destruction. Israel has said a Palestinian state must be demilitarised so as not to threaten Israel.

Settlements - Most countries deem Jewish settlements built on land Israel occupied in 1967 as illegal. Israel disputes this and cites historical and Biblical ties to the land. Their continued expansion is among the most contentious issues between Israel, the Palestinians and the international community.

Jerusalem - Palestinians want East Jerusalem, which includes sites sacred to Muslims, Jews and Christians, to be the capital of their state. Israel says Jerusalem should remain its "indivisible and eternal" capital. Israel's claim to the eastern part of Jerusalem is not recognised internationally. Trump recognised Jerusalem as Israel's capital – without specifying the extent of its jurisdiction in the disputed city - and moved the U.S. embassy there in 2018.

Refugees - Today about 5.6 million Palestinian refugees - mainly descendants of those who fled in 1948 - live in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, the Israeli-occupied West Bank and Gaza. About half of registered refugees remain stateless, according to the Palestinian foreign ministry, many living in crowded camps.

Palestinians have long demanded that refugees should be allowed to return, along with millions of their descendants. Israel says any resettlement of Palestinian refugees must occur outside of its borders.

What's the Israel-Palestinian conflict about and how did it start?

The fighting between Israel and Hamas, which launched a surprise attack on Saturday, is the latest in seven decades of war and conflict between Israelis and Palestinians that has drawn in outside powers and destabilised the wider Middle East.

www.reuters.com

nightmares · Oct 10, 2023

That's missing out the important fact that when Egypt and Jordan controlled Gaza/West Bank for 19 years they made no attempt to set up a Palestinian state

So even the Arabs don't believe in a state of Palestine

JustOneWay · Oct 10, 2023

nightmares said:
That's missing out the important fact that when Egypt and Jordan controlled Gaza/West Bank for 19 years they made no attempt to set up a Palestinian state

So even the Arabs don't believe in a state of Palestine

Sounds like a false dilemma....

Lukaris · Oct 10, 2023

Look at the civil warfare raging in Syria since 2011. Various Arab factions have murdered hundreds of thousands of their fellow people. Whatever bad things the Israelis have done are amplified way out proportion to what is done elsewhere not to mention the bad things done to them. The Palestinian political leaderships are ( & always are)criminal to their people and genocidal in intent towards Israel.

Anyone cheering this terroristic attack must be subject to various forms of demonic possession.

Akita Suggagaki · Oct 10, 2023

Fascinating timelines:

Global Connections . Timeline | PBS

ThatRobGuy · Oct 10, 2023

Valletta said:
The letter, authored by the Harvard Undergraduate Palestine Solidarity Committee, stated that students "hold the Israeli regime entirely responsible for all unfolding violence".
It was co-signed by 33 student groups.

Growing backlash over Harvard students' pro-Palestine letter

Lawmakers and alumni have been angered by the letter, which blames Israel for the unfolding conflict.

www.yahoo.com

Americans need to realize the garbage being taught to our children in school. It is Marxist style propaganda, selling victimhood to them while abandoning the moral principles are government was founded upon, the most important being that our rights come from God.

I don't think a pro-palestine message (as misguided as it may be) can be tied to a "marxist" propaganda.

In fact, Islamists and Commies are no friend of one-another...lots of harsh fighting between the two. Largely, I suspect, because of the fact that Marxism tries to squash religion, and Islamists typically have a very strong attachment to their religion.

I said it in another threat and I'll repeat it here... the reasons for people on the far-left supporting Palestine are much more shallow. The Bill Maher quote sums it up. It's a "woke purity test", in which you have to stand with the side that's "a little browner" and is fighting against the side they know the conservatives stand with (Israel).

Valletta · Oct 10, 2023

ThatRobGuy said:
I don't think a pro-palestine message (as misguided as it may be) can be tied to a "marxist" propaganda.

In fact, Islamists and Commies are no friend of one-another...lots of harsh fighting between the two. Largely, I suspect, because of the fact that Marxism tries to squash religion, and Islamists typically have a very strong attachment to their religion.

I said it in another threat and I'll repeat it here... the reasons for people on the far-left supporting Palestine are much more shallow. The Bill Maher quote sums it up. It's a "woke purity test", in which you have to stand with the side that's "a little browner" and is fighting against the side they know the conservatives stand with (Israel).

Victimhood is part of the new Marxism in this country.

comana · Oct 10, 2023

Valletta said:
Victimhood is part of the new Marxism in this country.

Use of the word Marxism has become meaningless on this Forum.

Valletta · Oct 10, 2023

JustOneWay said:
Not everybody believes their rights come from God, so saying what you posted means nothing to many.

That our rights come from God is in the very foundational document of our country.

Valletta · Oct 10, 2023

ThatRobGuy said:
I don't think a pro-palestine message (as misguided as it may be) can be tied to a "marxist" propaganda.

In fact, Islamists and Commies are no friend of one-another...lots of harsh fighting between the two. Largely, I suspect, because of the fact that Marxism tries to squash religion, and Islamists typically have a very strong attachment to their religion.

I said it in another threat and I'll repeat it here... the reasons for people on the far-left supporting Palestine are much more shallow. The Bill Maher quote sums it up. It's a "woke purity test", in which you have to stand with the side that's "a little browner" and is fighting against the side they know the conservatives stand with (Israel).

The CRT an similar neo-Marxist ideologies are what dominate at Harvard. Remember they have kept many of America's brightest students out because of their race. Muslims are a favored group of those at Harvard, I'll refer to the Harvard elites as progressives if that is more suitable.

Akita Suggagaki · Oct 10, 2023

Lukaris said:
Look at the civil warfare raging in Syria since 2011. Various Arab factions have murdered hundreds of thousands of their fellow people. Whatever bad things the Israelis have done are amplified way out proportion to what is done elsewhere not to mention the bad things done to them. The Palestinian political leaderships are ( & always are)criminal to their people and genocidal in intent towards Israel.

Anyone cheering this terroristic attack must be subject to various forms of demonic possession.

Looking back at least as far as world War I there has been quite a bit of inhumanity coming from many directions.
I am just trying to put the current situation in context and it is not pretty.

Valletta · Oct 10, 2023

Akita Suggagaki said:
Just some background. Any corrections to be made to this?

WHAT ARE THE ORIGINS OF THE CONFLICT?
The conflict pits Israeli demands for security in what it has long regarded as a hostile region against Palestinian aspirations for a state of their own.

Israel's founding father David Ben-Gurion proclaimed the modern State of Israel on May 14, 1948, establishing a safe-haven for Jews fleeing persecution and seeking a national home on land to which they cite deep ties over generations.

Palestinians lament Israel's creation as the Nakba, or catastrophe, that resulted in their dispossession and blocked their dreams of statehood.

In the war that followed, some 700,000 Palestinians, half the Arab population of what was British-ruled Palestine, fled or were driven from their homes, ending up in Jordan, Lebanon and Syria as well as in Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem.

Israel, a close U.S. ally, contests the assertion it drove Palestinians from their homes and points out it was attacked by five Arab states the day after its creation. Armistice pacts halted the fighting in 1949 but there was no formal peace. Palestinians who stayed put in the war today form the Arab Israeli community, making up about 20% of Israel's population.

Israel invaded Lebanon in 1982 and thousands of Palestinian fighters under Yasser Arafat were evacuated by sea after a 10-week siege. In 2006, war erupted in Lebanon again when Hezbollah militants captured two Israeli soldiers and Israel retaliated.

In 2005 Israel quit Gaza, which it had captured from Egypt in 1967. But Gaza saw major flare-ups in 2006, 2008, 2012, 2014 and 2021 that involved Israeli air raids and Palestinian rocket fire, and sometimes also cross border incursions by either side.

As well as wars, there have been two Palestinian intifadas or uprisings between 1987-1993 and again in 2000-05. The second saw waves of Hamas suicide bombings against Israelis.

WHAT ARE THE MAIN ISRAELI-PALESTINIAN ISSUES?
A two-state solution, Israeli settlements, the status of Jerusalem, and refugees are at the core of the dispute.

Two-state solution - an agreement that would create a state for the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip alongside Israel. Hamas rejects the two-state solution and is sworn to Israel's destruction. Israel has said a Palestinian state must be demilitarised so as not to threaten Israel.

Settlements - Most countries deem Jewish settlements built on land Israel occupied in 1967 as illegal. Israel disputes this and cites historical and Biblical ties to the land. Their continued expansion is among the most contentious issues between Israel, the Palestinians and the international community.

Jerusalem - Palestinians want East Jerusalem, which includes sites sacred to Muslims, Jews and Christians, to be the capital of their state. Israel says Jerusalem should remain its "indivisible and eternal" capital. Israel's claim to the eastern part of Jerusalem is not recognised internationally. Trump recognised Jerusalem as Israel's capital – without specifying the extent of its jurisdiction in the disputed city - and moved the U.S. embassy there in 2018.

Refugees - Today about 5.6 million Palestinian refugees - mainly descendants of those who fled in 1948 - live in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, the Israeli-occupied West Bank and Gaza. About half of registered refugees remain stateless, according to the Palestinian foreign ministry, many living in crowded camps.

Palestinians have long demanded that refugees should be allowed to return, along with millions of their descendants. Israel says any resettlement of Palestinian refugees must occur outside of its borders.

What's the Israel-Palestinian conflict about and how did it start?

The fighting between Israel and Hamas, which launched a surprise attack on Saturday, is the latest in seven decades of war and conflict between Israelis and Palestinians that has drawn in outside powers and destabilised the wider Middle East.

www.reuters.com

A crucial omission is the 1947 United Nations General Assembly resolution that would split Great Britain's former Palestinian mandate into a Jewish state and Arab state in May of 1948. After that a number of Palestinian/Arab groups attacked Jewish settlements and cities. As to settlements, Israel has repeatedly been attacked, it is foolish to have no consequences for these attacks because the Palestinians, no matter what they say, continue to attack Israel. They join Iran in the sentiment that Israel should be wiped from the face of the earth. Important and defining differences are that Hamas will murder babies and the handicapped and the elderly, rape women, and surround themselves with women and children and hostages to protect themselves while the Israelis have taken great steps to avoid civilian casualties.

JustOneWay · Oct 10, 2023

Valletta said:
That our rights come from God is in the very foundational document of our country.

Sorry, it does not say that. The founding fathers did not make America a religious nation, Christian or any other. Americans have the freedom to worship or not worship as they see fit.

"the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them,"

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."

USincognito · Oct 11, 2023

Valletta said:
That our rights come from God is in the very foundational document of our country.

Strange that there's not a single mention of God in the entire Constitution.

Lukaris · Oct 11, 2023

I believe under the Articles of Confederation, religion ( primarily Christianity) was a state right issue. In the Pa 1776 secession from Britain constitution lawmakers were to be Christian:

And each member, before he takes his seat, shall make and subscribe the following declaration, viz: I do believe in one God, the creator and governor of the universe, the rewarder of the good and the punisher of the wicked. And I do acknowledge the Scriptures of the Old and New Testament to be given by Divine inspiration.

And no further or other religious test shall ever hereafter be required of any civil officer or magistrate in this State. . . .

Religious freedom for citizens was universal and the state constitution was changed after the US Constitution was ratified.

Pennsylvania Constitution (1776) | Constitution Center

National Constitution Center Historic Documents Library record for Pennsylvania Constitution (1776)

constitutioncenter.org

Akita Suggagaki · Oct 11, 2023

Valletta said:
A crucial omission is the 1947 United Nations General Assembly resolution that would split Great Britain's former Palestinian mandate into a Jewish state and Arab state in May of 1948. After that a number of Palestinian/Arab groups attacked Jewish settlements and cities. As to settlements, Israel has repeatedly been attacked, it is foolish to have no consequences for these attacks because the Palestinians, no matter what they say, continue to attack Israel. They join Iran in the sentiment that Israel should be wiped from the face of the earth. Important and defining differences are that Hamas will murder babies and the handicapped and the elderly, rape women, and surround themselves with women and children and hostages to protect themselves while the Israelis have taken great steps to avoid civilian casualties.

I am trying to get the perspective of both sides so I appreciate your input. But I have also learned that from 1947 to 1949 more than 500 Palestinian villages and cities were destroyed. Know as Nakba Catastrophe and estimated 15,000 Palestinians were killed. 750,00 forced from their homes.

But I am just catching up before taking sides. There is an old Genesis song, Blood on the Rooftops. One of the verses goes, "Arabs and the Jews, Boy. Too much for me." I guess that has been my view.

Akita Suggagaki · Oct 11, 2023

May 14, 1948: The State of Israel is established.

After World War II, a showdown is looming between Jews and Arabs in Palestine. Despite their numerical superiority (1.3 million Arabs to 650,000 Jews), the Arabs are less prepared for conflict than the Jews, who have a government under David Ben-Gurion and an army. The Palestinian Arabs are still in disarray from the Arab Revolt, and most of their leaders have been exiled.

By 1947, mounting violence, including terrorist acts by both Arabs and Jews, leads Britain to declare its mandate over Palestine unworkable. Britain makes plans for its withdrawal and leaves the question of what to do with Palestine to the UN. In August, the United Nations Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP) recommends the creation of independent Jewish and Arab states. The plan divides Palestine into roughly equal halves, with Jerusalem and religiously significant surrounding sites under the control of a separate international authority. The report also calls for the Arab and Jewish states to form a united economic bloc.

The Jews accept this plan, but the Palestinian Arabs do not. The partition plan is approved by majority vote of the UN General Assembly on November 29. Britain completes its withdrawal from Palestine in early May 1948, and on May 14, the State of Israel is declared, with David Ben-Gurion as its first prime minister. Both the United States and the USSR immediately recognize the new state. In support of the Palestinian Arabs, however, neighboring Arab nations -- Egypt, Iraq, Transjordan, Lebanon, and Syria -- declare war on Israel the next day. The Israelis repel the Arab attack. The 1948 War, also known as the Israeli War of Independence, ends in July 1949. Israel signs separate cease-fire agreements with Transjordan, Syria, and Egypt and now controls about 70 percent of what had been Mandatory Palestine. Egypt holds the Gaza Strip, Jordan annexes the West Bank, and Syria retains the Golan Heights.

Global Connections . Timeline | PBS

2PhiloVoid · Oct 11, 2023

Valletta said:
The letter, authored by the Harvard Undergraduate Palestine Solidarity Committee, stated that students "hold the Israeli regime entirely responsible for all unfolding violence".
It was co-signed by 33 student groups.

Growing backlash over Harvard students' pro-Palestine letter

Lawmakers and alumni have been angered by the letter, which blames Israel for the unfolding conflict.

www.yahoo.com

Americans need to realize the garbage being taught to our children in school. It is Marxist style propaganda, selling victimhood to them while abandoning the moral principles are government was founded upon, the most important being that our rights come from God.

Athough I'm generally anti-Marxist myself, it should be realized that there are some Christians of the Preterist variety who think Israel is culpable for some aspects of its recent international history over the last few several decades.

I'm just saying... ... This way we know there's an additional variable in the assessment involving the acknowledgement of human rights violations here.

Personally, for additional historical consideration, I'd bring in the contents of the book by Colin Chapman, Whose promised land?: The continuing conflict over Israel and Palestine. Lion Books, 2015.

For me, the absence of peace between Israel and the Palestinians will not come about until both sides--- which are currently predominantly non-Christian--- finally concede to the fact that Jesus of Nazareth was, and is, the Messiah, Our Lord.

.... the upshot to this is that the students at Harvard probably need to take a hint on this as well.

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