Democratic Governor tells illegals don't come.

Wings like Eagles said:

If the border is secure where are they coming from.

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I'm sure a lot come on plane. But nobody seems to be complaining about them. Where are the patrols? Most Democrats I know aren't against tighter borders. It's just a bunch of people, that don't understand that we can't afford to help everyone, that comes from different countries. They get all the media attention. I'm in CA, and I don't think anyone from other states or countries should get welfare or anything free in CA. Since they're not paying taxes in CA. That's should be the churches responsibility, since they should want to. Because they're supposed to be saved.

Sshhhh..... We're not supposed to discuss things like this. It could harm the image of the party.

eleos1954 said:

Really what should be done is telling Mexico if they don't quit allowing migrants to use Mexico as a gateway to America we will not honor the USMCA and end our trade with them.

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Because our economy would shrug off loosing a top three trade partner and out international relations would do nothing but improve by ripping up, more, agreements.

Trade and migration are not intrinsically intertwined.

Desk trauma said:

Because our economy would shrug off loosing a top three trade partner and out international relations would do nothing but improve by ripping up, more, agreements.

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But it would show anyone who dares to defy whatever 'we' (a.k.a. the most extreme of the American right wing) want these week how 'tough' we are, and that's what really matters. Kind of like how our foreign policy with regard to the Middle East is at its most productive as concerns making the world safer when it follows the calls of our best and brightest to "just go in there and bomb the heck out of them until there's nothing left/turn the Middle East into a parking lot." Remember how tough that made us look when we did basically that in Iraq and Afghanistan? Everyone was safe forever. There's no reason we can't push around Mexico forever, too. We're the best country in the world and always will be, so long as you don't look at all the metrics by which we clearly aren't. Most of those are probably published in librul dummycrat magazines anyway, and nobody reads those anyway unless they have blue hair and more genders than members of their polyamorous thrupple sham-marriages, so those kinds of facts don't matter.

hislegacy said:

My motive is to discuss what i believe is germane to the thread and do my best to avoid caustic people.

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caustic: 2. sarcastic in a scathing and bitter way.

Criticism of others invites criticism from others....I always found that not posting caustic topics meant to ridicule and insult others is the best way to avoid recoil. Communication is a two-way street, and if one is not mentally up to the task to take criticism after doling it out, perhaps one should refrain from being critical of others, and simply calling other people caustic will not do anything to build bridges to understanding.


Here is what was said in context:

“We have to let the word out that when you come to New York we’re not going to have more hotel rooms. We don’t have capacity, so we have to also message properly that we’re at our limit, if you leave your country go somewhere else but the smartest thing is to apply for asylum before you leave your country."

NY is still a sanctuary state for immigrants in dire straits looking to survive, like every other human on the planet. All they are saying is we are at capacity and you should either call ahead for a reservation or go to another state. At this point I am tired of listening to people who have little or no compassion in their hearts for others in need.

Pommer said:

How do we “close our borders” and yet still comply with the USMCA?

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We start by telling Mexico if they don't stop allowing their country to be used to a gateway to America we will not to trade with them.

The USMCA ... Each country can still introduce new border restrictions for national security reasons

If the mass migration (via Mexico) isn't a national security reason ... I don't know what is.

Landon Caeli said:

Trade and migration are not intrinsically intertwined.

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Agreed.

Yet, some folks keep calling for a "Closed Border".

Given the fact that many illegal goods and persons actually transit through ports of entry, the logical conclusion to such sentiments is close the ports of entry (...which would effectively end cross border commerce).

Frankly, Closed Border and Open Border are meaningless talking points.

eleos1954 said:

We start by telling Mexico if they don't stop allowing their country to be used to a gateway to America we will not to trade with them.

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The US is one of the richest nations in the world and we certainly outspend everyone militarily. I don't know where Mexico ranks in comparison, but if we, magnificent as we be, cannot manage to keep outsiders out, is it right and fair that we expect Mexico to do it with fewer resources?

DaisyDay said:

The US is one of the richest nations in the world and we certainly outspend everyone militarily. I don't know where Mexico ranks in comparison, but if we, magnificent as we be, cannot manage to keep outsiders out, is it right and fair that we expect Mexico to do it with fewer resources?

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It could be a combined effort ... that would be the point of ending trade with them ... to bring them to the table towards a combined effort.