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This may seem to be a stupid question, but is the Holy Spirit alive? Is it correct to talk to the spirit and thank it etc?
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Yes, the Holy Spirit is alive, and is the third Person of the Trinity. There are a number of Orthodox prayers to the Holy Spirit.
O Lord, Heavenly King, O Comforter, the Spirit of Truth, Who are present everywhere and fillest all things; Treasury of Blessings and Giver of Life; come and abide in us and cleanse us from every impurity, and save our souls, O Gracious One.
You can listen to another one here:
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We direct all our supplications and thankfulness to our Father. The Holy Spirit is how He dwells in us. Blessings.
Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.
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Jesus made it clear that the Holy Spirit is His representative.
The Holy Spirit does not present His own ideas or speak on His initiative. The Holy Spirit carries out the plan of God the Father and God the Son. This is His role among the members of the Trinity.
While the Holy Spirit is fully God, His role is one of representing the wishes of the Father and the Son. The Holy Spirit is subordinate in His position to the Father and the Son. The Holy Spirit does not have a will of His own .... He carries out the will of the Father and Son.
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Actually prayer to Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit is entirely acceptable, since all three are coequal, coeternal and uncreated persons comprising one Godhood and sharing one divine essence. Christ also has a human nature in hypostatic union with His divinity. Furthermore, if you pray to one, you pray to all three.
The idea that we can only pray to the Father and not to the other persons of the Trinity is not only unblblical but is directly contradicted by several of the oldest surviving Christian prayers, which are addressed to the Son and the Holy Spirit respectively.
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The Holy Spirit is God, the same as the Father and the Son. Nevertheless, the Holy Spirit does not draw attention to Himself. Jesus said, "He will not speak of His own, but will take of Mine and disclose it to you." I don't know anywhere in all of scripture where any saint prayed to the Holy Spirit. We are exhorted to pray to the Father by Jesus Himself. Yet we believe in the Spirit's power and guidance. "All who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God." It means we acknowledge God's word and obey, while believing that the Spirit gives us power and willingness to obey God's moral will. This is the activity of the Christian life, based on all of the teachings of Jesus and the apostles.
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Jesus Christ of Nazareth gave us the prayer so it's not comming from me but from Him, God who came in the flesh.
Our Father who .....
Blessings.
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The Lord’s Prayer is a holy and important prayer, but it is not the only authorized prayer by any means.
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Prayers are supplications and thanks to our Father so there are really no prayers considered authoritative or authorized. We pray from the heart which is typically more genuine. I understand different denominations may see this differently. Thanks for engaging! Be blessed.
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That's how you have a fellowship with Him.
I always seek out His information over and above anything that man presents. He may use some of men's commentaries at times, but they will always have His filter on them so you can see where the person was right in one area and wrong the next.
Give Him the preeminence in your life and you'll learn more than others. When He shows that you are wrong in an area, don't try to deny it, acknowledge it and tell Him sorry. That's how learning continues for you from Him.
It takes a while to learn how He communicates and teaches us, but having the leading of The Holy Sprit is paramount in our lives.
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For what it's worth, I think it's a great question. I actually think it's well articulated because you elaborate upon your meaning in a follow up question. Not only that, but you project a humility without guile from the very beginning by showing you're not afraid to ask what may look like a stupid question.
As I see it, I would be incorrect to not express thankfulness to the Holy Spirit. For one thing, to do so benefits me by acknowledging that wisdom comes from God and is not attributable to myself. But what is more noteworthy is that the suffering that endured the cross so I could see and ponder the depth of God's Love, is the same Holy Spirit which empowers the depth of my thankfulness and causes me to worship God in Truth.
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When you pray, say: FATHER
Luke 11:
Jesus taught us to address the prayer directly to the Father.
Is it wrong to pray to Archangel Michael?
Right. In the Bible, there are no examples of praying to anyone except to God.
Is it wrong to pray to the Holy Spirit?
I think so. It is better to stick to the pattern/model in the Lord's prayer. The usual pattern is to address the prayer directly to the Father in Jesus' name enabled by the Holy Spirit.
What about praying to Jesus?
In some circumstances, it is okay. Acts 7:
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When you pray, say: FATHER
Luke 11:
Jesus taught us to address the prayer directly to the Father.
Is it wrong to pray to Archangel Michael?
Right. In the Bible, there are no examples of praying to anyone except to God.
Is it wrong to pray to the Holy Spirit?
I think so. It is better to stick to the pattern/model in the Lord's prayer. The usual pattern is to address the prayer directly to the Father in Jesus' name enabled by the Holy Spirit.
What about praying to Jesus?
In some circumstances, it is okay. Acts 7:
Ok let's stop for one minute. This is where people who don't pay attention to what others say go off the beaten path with assumptions,....
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.
Did anyone mention praying to The Holy Spirit here? No we didn't. We said have fellowship and communion with Him, which means talking and sharing things with Him as a friend as well as seeking out truth and information, which He is to search The Father for us and present it. According to scripture we are to be dependent upon His ability to teach us truth instead of man's abilities, and that means we need to ask Him about things and situations.
Fellowship and communion with The Holy Spirit is not prayer.
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I wish you to consider that there are three logical errors in your argument, that have the effect of undermining both your primary argument that prayer can only be offered to the Father and also your secondary argument, of arguing against the practice, dating back to the very early church, of seeking the intercession of the venerable saints, such as the Holy Archangels Michael, Gabriel, Uriel and Raphael and one’s own guardian angel and the cherubim, seraphim and other bodiless powers, the victorious martyrs such as St. Steven the Illustrious Protomartyr, St. George, St. Mina, St. Abanoub, St. Lucy, St. Paula, St. Macrina, the 40 martyrs of Sebaste, and many more recent persons who confessed Christ before men and received a crown of martyrdom, the Holy Apostles Andrew, Peter, Paul, John the Beloved Disciple and Theologian, Matthew, James the Great, Thomas, Phillip, Bartholomew, Jude, Simon, James the Just, Cleopas and Matthias, and Saints Mary Magdalene, Mary and Martha of Bethany and Theclas Equal-to-the-Apostles, and the members of the Seventy such as the Holy Evangelists Mark and Luke and the Apostles to the Assyrians and Indians Addai and Mari, and the early church Fathers such as St. Athanasius, St. Basil, St. Gregory the Theologian, St. John Chrysostom, St. Ephraim the Syrian, St. John Cassian, St. Ambrose of Milan and St. Cyril of Alexandria, and newer confessors, theologians, church fathers and ascetics such as St. Symeon the New, St. Gregory Palamas, St. Maximus the Confessor, St. Severus of Antioch, St. Jacob of Sarugh, St. Theodore the Studite, St. John of Damascus, St. Jan Hus, St. Jerome of Prague, St. John Wesley, St. Charles Wesley, St. Ignatius Brianchaninov, St. Seraphim of Sarov, St. Nicodemus the Hagiorite, St. Silouan the Athonite, St. Macarius of Corinth, St. John of Kronstadt, Saints Herman and Innocent of Alaska and St. Peter the Aleut, St. Raphael of Brooklyn, St. Tikhon of Moscow and St. John Maximovitch of Shanghai and San Francisco, to name a very few, and of course the illustrious forerunner St. John the Baptist, and especially our glorious Lady Theotokos Mary, the Mother of God and all the Saints, and most shockingly, offering prayer and worship to Christ our God and the Holy Spirit.
The logical problems with your argument are, to wit:
1. Nowhere did Christ our God command that we pray to the Father exclusively. He did not forbid intercessory prayer to the saints. And furthermore, prayers to him were made by various figures in the Old Testament, including at different times Zacchaeus, Peter, the Centurion, the Canaanite Woman, the Samaritan Woman and many others, and also the Blessed Virgin Mary interceded to him on behalf of the wedding party at Cana when they ran out of wine. Thus, the “regulative principle” some Calvinists use cannot actually be appealed to in this instance, for the same reason that it does not require the use of a capella exclusive Psalmody (since of course St. Paul direct the worship be accomanied with Psalms and Hymns and Spiritual Songs (Canticles and Anthems, basically, such as the Magnificat and Te Deum Laudamus, which took the role of earlier Jewish canticles like Adon Olam).
2. Since God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost are equally God, sharing one divine essence (John 10:10), if you pray to the Father you pray to the Son and the Holy Ghost, if you pray to the Son you also pray to the Father and the Holy Ghost, and if you pray to the Holy Ghost you also pray to the Father and the Son. Thus, one cannot pray to the Father alone even if one wishes, since the the three Uncreated and Coequal persons of the Holy and Undivided Trinity abide in the essence of the unoriginate Father. Each one is a discrete person with a discrete hypostasis, but they are consubstantial, hence the Orthodox liturgical phrase "Glory be to the Holy, Consubstantial and Life-Giving Trinity, now and ever and unto the ages of ages."
3. The specific quote you gave is from the Anglican Book of Common Prayer and is is final prayer with which the Priest dismisses the congregation. Additionally, many Anglican services open with the threefold Kyrie Eleison, Christie Eleison and Kyrie Eleison, or in English, Lord Have Mercy, Christ Have Mercy, Lord Have Mercy, which are specifically intended as prayers seeking the mercy of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. This practice is also standard in Lutheranism and originates in the Roman Rite liturgy. It is related to Eastern Orthodox prayers to the Holy Trinity, such as the Eastern Orthodox version of the Trisagion “Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal One, Have Mercy on Us” (the Oriental Orthodox version was for a time believed by many Eastern Orthodox to contain the heresy of Patripassianism because it uses the structure “Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal One, Who Was Crucified for Us, Have Mercy on Us,” however, much like the finger positions of the Russian Orthodox Old Rite, this hymn was considered Christological in nature and not Trinitarian, however, I recall seeing additional verses addressed to the Father and to the Holy Spirit. I for a brief moment thought they were in the Coptic Orthodox liturgy, but I now recall those other verses referred to other aspects of the Incarnation; perhaps @dzheremi knows what I am talking about.
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Hello Lenno, just like the Father and the Son, the Holy Spirit (who is God) is alive both from and to everlasting .. cf Psalm 90:1-2. Also (just like the Father and the Son) the Holy Spirit is a "Person", and a Member of the Trinitarian Godhead, and as such, we use personal terms (such as He/Him) whenever we refer to Him (we don't use "it" when we refer to the Holy Spirit any more than we would call the Father or the Son "it", or any other person "it" for that matter).
Here are a couple of passages for you to consider. In the first you will see the Lord Jesus talking about the Holy Spirit (who was yet to come), and in the second, you will see that it is the Holy Spirit Himself who is speaking (in this case as the One who sent the Apostle Paul out on his 1st missionary journey).
John 14
16 “I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;
17 that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.
26 “The Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.”
Acts 13
1 There were at Antioch, in the church that was there, prophets and teachers: Barnabas, and Simeon who was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.
2 While they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, ~the Holy Spirit said~, “Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which ~I~ have called them.”
3 Then, when they had fasted and prayed and laid their hands on them, they sent them away.
4 So, being sent out by the Holy Spirit, they went down to Seleucia and from there they sailed to Cyprus.
God bless you!!
--David
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I don't know what peolpe are on about here, but you can talk with the Holy Spirit, which IS prayer i guess, since talking to God is prayer?.
A prayer to the Holy spirit would be like: Please Holy spirit reveal why this is happening.... Give me advice and wisdom Holy spirit... etc.
The bible says he is our teacher and counselor, so why we shouln't ask him about stuff. I'm curious..
A prayer to the Holy spirit would be like: Please Holy spirit reveal why this is happening.... Give me advice and wisdom Holy spirit... etc.
The bible says he is our teacher and counselor, so why we shouln't ask him about stuff. I'm curious..
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Do you have an example of people talking to the Holy Spirit in the Bible?
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