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Is it immoral to help a disabled widow by cutting her grass on the Sabbath?

Is it immoral to help a disabled widow by cutting her grass on the Sabbath?


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Both Jesus and his disciples broke Sabbath, they did not argue they did not. Regarding this specific place, the argument of Jesus was that His disciples are not guilty, because they are with Jesus and Jesus is above that, more than temple (priests are allowed to break it too, because of the temple), more than David (who ate bread he was not allowed to eat) etc.

Its directly and explicitly in the text, just read it as it it.

The verse you single out is not about "sabbath is given to all humanity", it does not fit the flow of the story and of their conversation at all. And the sentence is not even present in the Matthew version.
This is what Jesus said for those who claimed He sinned, I would not want to be on that camp.

John 8:45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. 46 Which one of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me? 47 Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.”

Jesus also said His disciples were blameless - not guilty of the accusation.Mat 12:7

Had Jesus sinned and broke any part of the law He could not be our Savior Hebrew 4:15
 
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This is what Jesus said for those who claimed He sinned, I would not want to be on that camp.

John 8:45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. 46 Which one of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me? 47 Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.”

Jesus also said His disciples were blameless - not guilty of the accusation.Mat 12:7

Had Jesus sinned and broke any part of the law He could not be our Savior Hebrew 4:15
Again, both Jesus and His disciples broke Sabbath, but were not guilty. Because Jesus is God and those who are with him are not restricted by any days.
 
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Again, both Jesus and His disciples broke Sabbath, but were not guilty. Because Jesus is God and those who are with him are not restricted by any days.
God through Jesus broke the Sabbath therefore God sinned through Jesus. Those are your words
 
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God through Jesus broke the Sabbath therefore God sinned through Jesus. Those are your words
No, my words are: "both Jesus and His disciples broke Sabbath, but were not guilty. Because Jesus is God and those who are with him are not restricted by any days."
 
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Those are your words

No, my words are: "both Jesus and His disciples broke Sabbath, but were not guilty. Because Jesus is God and those who are with him are not restricted by any days."
You say Jesus through God Broke the sabbath therefore Jesus through God sinned. There is no other conclusion in your philosophy.
 
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You say Jesus through God Broke the sabbath therefore Jesus through God sinned. There is no other conclusion in your philosophy.
You should really do some work on your reading, comprehension and conclusion skills.
 
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You should really do some work on your reading, comprehension and conclusion skills.
College level since 7th grade. But your reading and comprehension level and mine have nothing to do with it, Spiritual things are Spiritually discerned. Take care.
 
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We are all smart enough to substitute cutting grass with any number of things. The point is not the act, so let's not scrutinize grass-cutting, the point is a motivation to help someone in need. Christ tells us it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath but some wish to debate that this goodness has limits on the Sabbath. I for one would gladly lend a helping hand, be it cutting grass, lifting boxes, or some other act aimed at being helpful and showing love especially when someone has a clear need. The opposite focus of avoiding help seems counter-gospel. Some would call help immoral if done on the Sabbath which I find a bit bizarre. So please, if you call this immoral make sure you let people know so we can understand your perspective.
Can you do it on Sunday or any of the six days the Lord gave you for this purpose, the answer is there.
 
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The Sabbath Commandment

Exodus 20:8-11
  • Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
  • Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
  • Why?
  • For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Immoral?

immoral: not conforming to accepted standards of morality.
morality: principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.

Nehemiah 9:13-15 Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments: And madest known unto them thy holy sabbath, and commandedst them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the hand of Moses thy servant: And gavest them bread from heaven for their hunger, and broughtest forth water for them out of the rock for their thirst, and promisedst them that they should go in to possess the land which thou hadst sworn to give them.

Romans 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

To Mow or Not To Mow

As BobRyan already stated, mowing the lawn can be done any of the six work days of the week, it doesn't have to be done on Sabbath.

Sabbath for the Jews?

Regarding the Sabbath being for the Jews specifically...

If the Sabbath is only for the Jews, then...
  • The other nine commandments are only for the Jews.
  • There is no standard of Christian character.
  • You would have to rely solely on the ministry of Jesus.
  • But... If you rely solely on the ministry of Jesus...
    • You would have to ignore that Jesus taught the Ten Commandments during His ministry.
    • You would have to ignore that Jesus taught from what we now call the Old Testament.
    • You would have to ignore that Jesus hung the law and the prophets on love, forever binding them, not separating them.
    • You would have to ignore that Jesus said specifically that not one jot or tittle will pass from the law until all be fulfilled (all is not fulfilled).
    • You would have to ignore that Jesus went to the synagogue every Sabbath to read, as was His custom.
    • You would have to ignore that Jesus observed the Sabbath even in death.
    • You would have to ignore the writings of the apostles that specifically call for commandment keeping for both Jew and Gentile.
    • You would have to ignore that Jesus called for commandment keeping in the Revelation of Jesus Christ, post-crucifixion, from heaven.
    • You would have to ignore that the patience of the saints is keeping the commandments of God and faith of Jesus (also found in the Revelation of Jesus Christ).
That's a lot of ignoring a Christian would have to do, just to avoid the Sabbath commandment.

Build Your House on the Rock

Matthew 7 and the parable of the house built on the rock vs the house built on sand.

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
  • What is doing the will of the Father, if not observing the Ten Commandments?
  • Jesus did the will of the Father. They are one and the same.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
  • Hear and do = house built upon a rock.
  • Hear and not do = house built upon sand.
  • The house built on sand will not stand the weather.
The Commandments Are the Standard

Jesus:

Matthew 5:19 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Truth is hard to accept even when it is between God or man, everyone will have to make a choice.
 
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Can you do it on Sunday or any of the six days the Lord gave you for this purpose, the answer is there.
Jesus tells us it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath. So is the act good? if so, then it is lawful on the Sabbath. If it is not good, then it cannot be called good on anything other day. The Sabbath is not the measure of goodness, but Christ declaring that doing good is lawful on the Sabbath he is inviting us to participate in all acts of goodness regardless of how that affects our rest.
 
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Jesus tells us it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.
To be more precise, Jesus told that to Jews before His death. He did not address us. We are given no Sabbath day to keep, so we do not have to worry what is allowed or not on such a day.
 
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To be more precise, Jesus told that to Jews before His death. He did not address us. We are given no Sabbath day to keep, so we do not have to worry what is allowed or not on such a day.
Do you really think Sabbath keepers worry about what to do and what not to do on Sabbath?
 
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Do you really think Sabbath keepers worry about what to do and what not to do on Sabbath?
Yes.

However, my post was not "Sabbath keepers worry about what to do on Sabbath", my post was "Jesus did not address us, we have been given no Sabbath day to keep."

If we were given a day to keep, we would need to worry how, indeed.
 
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Yes.

However, my post was not "Sabbath keepers worry about what to do on Sabbath", my post was "Jesus did not address us, we have been given no Sabbath day to keep."

If we were given a day to keep, we would need to worry how, indeed.
I get a kick out of some of your ideas. Worry about how to keep the Sabbath? Not in the least. I can't wait for it to come around every week. When God fulfills His promise to write His laws in our hearts it becomes natural to us to keep the Sabbath in not only thought but in deed.
 
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I get a kick out of some of your ideas. Worry about how to keep the Sabbath? Not in the least. I can't wait for it to come around every week. When God fulfills His promise to write His laws in our hearts it becomes natural to us to keep the Sabbath in not only thought but in deed.
Its quite a lazy theology to think that God wants to you to keep Sabbath because of the Mosaic Law and in the same time to ignore how the Mosaic Law instructions about keeping the Sabbath apply to our time, geolocation and society.

But I already noticed you have no specific answers regarding Sabbath, quite frequently.
 
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Its quite a lazy theology to think that God wants to you to keep Sabbath because of the Mosaic Law and in the same time ignore how the Mosaic Law instructions about keeping the Sabbath apply to our times and society.

But I already noticed you have no specific answers quite frequently.
I get a kick out of that too. You obviously think God can't think in terms of modern society.
 
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Where are instructions to keep Sabbath and how, for modern society?
So now you're claiming God should have written down exact instructions for every culture that has ever existed. You're more of a legalist than the Pharisees were.
 
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So now you're claiming God should have written down exact instructions for every culture that has ever existed. You're more of a legalist than the Pharisees were.
So God wants something, but He did not say what?

He wants you to take out of ancient Israel a commandment, but without the instructions what the commandment means outside of ancient Israel?
 
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So God wants something, but He did not say what?

He wants you to take out of ancient Israel a commandment, but without the instructions what the commandment means outside of ancient Israel?
Their you go again making me chuckle. A legalist to beat all legalists. And you claim to believe in God's grace?
 
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