Alabama can enforce ban on puberty blockers and hormones for transgender children, court rules

HARK! · Aug 21, 2023

MONTGOMERY, Ala. — A federal appeals court ruled Monday that Alabama can enforce a ban outlawing the use of puberty blockers and hormones to treat transgender children, the second such appellate victory for gender-transition care restrictions that have been adopted by a growing number of Republican-led states.

At least 20 states enacted laws restricting or banning gender-affirming care for minors.

Appeals court allows Alabama to enforce ban on gender-transition drugs for minors

Alabama may enforce its ban on gender-transition drugs and surgeries for minors after a federal appeals court lifted a lower court’s block on the 2022 law as the hot-button issue moves from the state legislatures to the legal system.

www.washingtontimes.com

Wings like Eagles · Aug 21, 2023

Good - the children need to be protected at any cost.

Tinker Grey · Aug 21, 2023

Wings like Eagles said:
Good - the children need to be protected at any cost.

Denying children treatment that they want, their doctors and their parents agree to is not protection. For people who think parental rights are everything, y'all got this screwed up.

Wings like Eagles · Aug 21, 2023

Tinker Grey said:
Denying children treatment that they want, their doctors and their parents agree to is not protection. For people who think parental rights are everything, y'all got this screwed up.

How can a child really know what they want?
Agreed some people's thinking is really screwed up.

Tinker Grey · Aug 21, 2023

Wings like Eagles said:
How can a child really know what they want?
Agreed some people's thinking is really screwed up.

Parents are involved. Doctors are involved. The children are involved. Why should you have a say?

ThatRobGuy · Aug 21, 2023

Tinker Grey said:
Denying children treatment that they want, their doctors and their parents agree to is not protection.

You may be right that politics may be playing a role in this and it may not be a sincere sentiment of "protection"

That being said, a child wanting something, and their parents shopping around until they can find a doctor who will give it to them isn't a validation of the opposing viewpoint either.

When you have Transgender Children's clinics like the one in Cincinnati (the 4th largest kind in the country) deeming 100% of patients presenting for care to be "good candidates for their services", it's pretty clear that the particular facet of medical care we're talking about is one that's been commercialized.

If the 4th largest Neurosurgery practice in the country deemed 100% of people who walked through the door as "a good candidate for spinal surgery", some people would start taking a harder look at their business practices.

Yttrium · Aug 21, 2023

ThatRobGuy said:
When you have Transgender Children's clinics like the one in Cincinnati (the 4th largest kind in the country) deeming 100% of patients presenting for care to be "good candidates for their services", it's pretty clear that the particular facet of medical care we're talking about is one that's been commercialized.

If the 4th largest Neurosurgery practice in the country deemed 100% of people who walked through the door as "a good candidate for spinal surgery", some people would start taking a harder look at their business practices.

Yeah, but some people abusing the system isn't justification to deny treatment for those who really need it. I wouldn't have as much of a problem with the Alabama law if they were offering alternative treatment. But they feign concern for the kids while simply preventing them from getting treatment, which is no concern at all.

That said, I don't have a problem with the court's decision. It's up to the legislators, and the people who elect them.

rjs330 · Aug 21, 2023

Tinker Grey said:
Parents are involved. Doctors are involved. The children are involved. Why should you have a say?

They are not involved and not informed. How many of them know that there are other options rather than affirming what the kid wants.

I was listening to Dr. Sara Stockton and spoke very well on this issue. If you don't know who she is a specialized therapist who works with transgendered kids. She was one of the first and one of the few who have specialized training in this area. She used to be an affirming doctor and handed out puberty blockers etc. Then she came to the realization that there were serious problems with what was going on. She actually stopped working with kids due to the problems with what was happening in the gender therapy field. She's back now educating people, doctors, schools etc and giving therapy to children and families in this area.

She totally disagrees with you. She talks about how the field now no longer requires specialization and specialized training. That kids and people come into therapy already prepared to provide all the right words and things to say they learned on the internet in order to get try and get medicalized. She spends years with a patient now in helping kids overcome their issues so they don't have to medicalize. She actually HELPS kids and families deal with the real problems.

You may not care but here is the interview.

rjs330 · Aug 21, 2023

Yttrium said:
Yeah, but some people abusing the system isn't justification to deny treatment for those who really need it. I wouldn't have as much of a problem with the Alabama law if they were offering alternative treatment. But they feign concern for the kids while simply preventing them from getting treatment, which is no concern at all.

That said, I don't have a problem with the court's decision. It's up to the legislators, and the people who elect them.

The families involved are not abusing the system by and large. They are just trying to get by. And they are listening to transactivists about what to do. And the transactivists are tell everyone what to say and how to say it. And the medical field is also listening to them. After all they don't know what to do on their own or how to do it. So they reached out to transactivists who told them all how to transition people. They did not tell them how to actually treat them.

The people abusing the system are the transactivists. The trans affirming people.

Dr. Stockton talks about this. The Gender Wider Lense team speaks extensively about this regarding schools. One of the therapists was a school counselor who was involved when the transgender phenomenon hit the schools. The schools had no idea what to do and turned to the counselors who didn't know what to do either. So where did they go? To the trans organizations who were obviously trans affirming, medical transitioning organizations. That's where they go the information. It wasn't until later the therapist started seeing real problems with this and how the kids real.problems were not being addressed.

No one is trying to prevent treatment. What people are trying to do is get the kids the proper treatment. Dr. Stockton talks about the issues with puberty blockers and the therapists talk of how social transitioning is psychologically harming kids.

HARK! · Aug 21, 2023

Tinker Grey said:
Denying children treatment that they want, their doctors and their parents agree to is not protection. For people who think parental rights are everything, y'all got this screwed up

Parents don't have the right to abuse their children.

HARK! · Aug 21, 2023

Tinker Grey said:
Parents are involved. Doctors are involved. The children are involved. Why should you have a say?

The doctors are prescribing drugs that were not approved by the FDA for this purpose.

HARK! · Aug 21, 2023

Yttrium said:
Yeah, but some people abusing the system isn't justification to deny treatment for those who really need it.

No body "needs" drug abuse.

Pommer · Aug 21, 2023

ThatRobGuy said:
That being said, a child wanting something, and their parents shopping around until they can find a doctor who will give it to them isn't a validation of the opposing viewpoint either.

How about when the treatment sought just happens to be the medical standard-of-care for the condition?

Pommer · Aug 21, 2023

HARK! said:
The doctors are prescribing drugs that were not approved by the FDA for this purpose.

Yes, that was always allowed.

Pommer · Aug 21, 2023

HARK! said:
Parents don't have the right to abuse their children.

Doing the medically correct thing is “abuse”?

HARK! · Aug 21, 2023

Pommer said:
Doing the medically correct thing is “abuse”?

How is prescribing a drug, that was not approved for that purpose by the FDA, "doing the medically correct thing?"

HARK! · Aug 21, 2023

Pommer said:
Yes, that was always allowed.

Source?

Pommer · Aug 21, 2023

HARK! said:
Source?

FDA rules.
I don’t know chapter and verse but once a drug is “approved” for condition XYZ, then if benefits from this drug are also found to treat condition QRS, prescribers can use the drug for QRS too, since it’s already been deemed safe and effective for the condition it was approved for.

rjs330 · Aug 22, 2023

HARK! said:
Parents don't have the right to abuse their children.

I don't think most parents are trying to abuse their kids. Some are definitely doing things to try and be seen as progressive and a smaller number are just plain narcissistic. But most parents are just trying to do their best in these situations. They often do what the lefts mantra seems to be. Trust the experts. Except these so called experts are typically either transactivists or were trained by them. The parents don't know better.

I think that's changing now as parents are becoming more informed and realizing there is more too this. And people are voting for representatives who will try and protect the kids when others won't.

I don't know how long it will take for these laws to be ruled upon by the Supreme Court, but until that happens they will constantly be under attack by activists try to overturn them through the courts.

rjs330 · Aug 22, 2023

Pommer said:
How about when the treatment sought just happens to be the medical standard-of-care for the condition?

Lobotomies used to be standards of care too.

The standards of care for kids is changing all the time and varies throughout the world. So that tells us there is no real standard of care. It's whatever seems okay in the moment depending on who you are listening to. That's why this is so dangerous. The affirmative care model has been been found to be extremely faulty and countries are moving away from it.

Standards of care in this matter are not settled at all. That is precisely why we need to slow WAY down and get back to psych therapy instead of rushing kids into medical treatment for something that's not medical.

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