Seeking English translation of Ribera's work

Douggg · Aug 3, 2023

I am not Catholic, but I am not here to argue. But seeking information.

Does anyone have an online link of an English translation of....

In Sacrum Beati Ioannis Apostoli, & Evangelistiae Apocalypsin Commentarii,

I would like to read it. Thanks.

Michie · Aug 3, 2023

Douggg said:
I am not Catholic, but I am not here to argue. But seeking information.

Does anyone have an online link of an English translation of....

In Sacrum Beati Ioannis Apostoli, & Evangelistiae Apocalypsin Commentarii,

I would like to read it. Thanks.

Are you talking about Francisco Ribera mentioned here?

Jesuit Futurism

amazingdiscoveries.org

Douggg · Aug 3, 2023

Michie said:
Are you talking about Francisco Ribera mentioned here?

Jesuit Futurism

amazingdiscoveries.org

That link is to a Seventh Day Adventist site.

What I am looking for is an English translation of Riberra's work, not a commentary on Riberra himself.

In Sacrum Beati Ioannis Apostoli, & Evangelistiae Apocalypsin Commentarii,

Michie · Aug 3, 2023

Douggg said:
That link is to a Seventh Day Adventist site.

What I am looking for is an English translation of Riberra's work, not a commentary on Riberra himself.

In Sacrum Beati Ioannis Apostoli, & Evangelistiae Apocalypsin Commentarii,

There is no English translation as far as I know. As for as the website, I posted it because I wanted to know if we were talking same Ribera. I believe he was a Jesuit.

Douggg · Aug 3, 2023

Michie said:
There is no English translation as far as I know. As for as the website, I posted it because I wanted to know if we were talking Ribera. I believe he was a Jesuit.

Yes, Ribera was a Jesuit. And there has been a lot of commentary (it appears as though sites are copying the same commentary from each other) about him. I want to read directly what Ribera himself wrote though. As commentary can be slanted. imo, I don't think the commentators have actually read Ribera's work themselves, but are just quoting each other.

Michie · Aug 3, 2023

Douggg said:
Yes, Ribera was a Jesuit. And there has been a lot of commentary (it appears as though sites are copying the same commentary from each other) about him. I want to read directly what Ribera himself wrote though. As commentary can be slanted. imo, I don't think the commentators have actually read Ribera's work themselves, but are just quoting each other.

Yes I’d be interested in reading it myself. Unfortunately, I do not think there is anything in English. If you find anything, let me know.

Michie · Aug 3, 2023

I don’t know if this drops you a few bread crumbs on your search but thought I would post it just incase.

IV. MODERN CATHOLIC COMMENTARIES.—The influx of Greek scholars into Italy on the fall of Constantinople, the Christian and anti-Christian Renaissance, the invention of printing, the controversial excitement caused by the rise of Protestantism, and the publication of polyglot Bibles by Cardinal Ximenes and others, gave renewed interest to the study of the Bible among Catholic scholars. Controversy showed them the necessity of devoting more attention to the literal meaning of the text, according to the wise principle laid down by St. Thomas in the beginning of his “Summa Theologica”.

It was then that the sons of St. Ignatius, who founded his order in 1534, stepped into the front rank to repel the attacks on the Church. The Ratio Studiorum of the Jesuits made it incumbent on their professors of Scripture to acquire a mastery of Greek, Hebrew, and other Oriental languages. Salmeron, one of the first companions of St. Ignatius, and the pope’s theologian at the Council of Trent, was a distinguished Hebrew scholar and voluminous commentator. Bellarmine, one of the first Christians to write a Hebrew grammar, composed a valuable commentary on the Psalms, giving an exposition of the Hebrew, Septuagint, and Vulgate texts. It was published as part of Cornelius a Lapide’s commentary on the whole Bible. Cornelius a Lapide, S.J. (b. 1566), was a native of the Low Countries, and was well versed in Greek and Hebrew. During forty years he devoted himself to teaching and to the composition of his great work, which has been highly praised by Protestants as well as Catholics. Maldonatus, a Spanish Jesuit, born 1534, wrote commentaries on Isaias, Baruch, Ezechiel, Daniel, Psalms, Proverbs, Canticles (Song of Solomon), and Ecclesiastes. His best work, however, is his Latin commentary on the Four Gospels, which is generally acknowledged to be one of the best ever written. When Maldonatus was teaching at the University of Paris the hall was filled with eager students before the lecture began, and he had frequently to speak in the open air. Great as was the merit of the work of Maldonatus, it was equalled by the commentary on the Epistles by Estius (b. at Gorcum, Holland, 1542), a secular priest, and superior of the College at Douai. These two works are still of the greatest help to the student. Many other Jesuits were the authors of valuable exegetical works, e.g.: Francis Ribera of Castile (b. 1514); Cardinal Toletus of Cordova (b. 1532); Manuel Sa (d. 1596); Bonfrere of Dinant (b. 1573); Mariana of Talavera (b. 1537); Alcazar of Seville (b. 1554); Barradius “the Apostle of Portugal“; Sanchez of Alcala (d. 1628); Serarius of Lorraine (d. 1609); Lorinus of Avignon (b. 1559); Tirinus of Antwerp (b. 1580); Menochius of Pavia; Pereira of Valencia (d. 1610); and Pineda of Seville.

The Jesuits were rivalled by Arias Montanus (d. 1598), the editor of the Antwerp Polyglot Bible; Sixtus of Siena, O.P. (d. 1569); John Wild (Ferus), O. S. F.; Dominic Soto, O.P. (d. 1560); Masius (d. 1573); Jansen of Ghent (d. 1576); Genebrard of Cluny (d. 1597); Agellius (d. 1608); Luke of Bruges(d. 1619); Calasius, O. S. F. (d. 1620); Malvenda, O.P. (d. 1628); Jansen of Ypres; Simeon de Muis (d. 1644); Jean Morin, Oratorian (d. 1659); Isaac Le Maistre (de Sacy); John Sylveira, Carmelite (d. 1687); Bossuet (d. 1704); Richard Simon, Oratorian (d. 1712); Calmet, Oratorian, who wrote a valuable dictionary of the Bible, of which there is an English translation, and a highly esteemed commentary on all the books of Scripture (d. 1757); Louis de Carrieres, Oratorian (d. 1717); Piconio, Capuchin (d. 1709); Lamy, Oratorian (d. 1715); Guarin, O. S.B. (d. 1729); Houbigant, Oratorian (d. 1783); Smits, Recollect (1770); Le Long, Oratorian (d. 1721); Brentano (d. 1797). During the nineteenth century the following were a few of the Catholicwriters on the Bible: Scholz, Hug, Jahn, Le Hir, Allioli, Mayer, van Essen, Glaire, Beelin, Haneberg, Meignan, Reithmayr, Patrizi, Loch, Bisping (his commentary on the New Testament styled “excellent” by Vigouroux), Corluy, Fillion, Lesetre, Trochon (Introductions and Comm. on Old and New Test., “La Sainte Bible“, 27 vols.), Schegg, Bacuez, Kenrick, McEvilly, Arnauld, Schanz (a most valuable work, in German, on the Gospels), Fouard, Maas, Vigouroux (works of Introduction), Ward, McIntyre, etc. Catholics have also published important scientifical books. There is the great Latin “Cursus” on the whole of the Bible by the Jesuit Fathers, Cornely, Knabenbauer, and Hummelauer. The writings of Lagrange (Les Juges), Condamin (Isale), Calmes (Saint Jean), Van Hoonacker (Les Douze Petits Prophetes), etc., are all valuable works. For a list of modern Catholicpublications on the Scripture, the reader may be referred to the “Revue biblique”, edited by Lagrange (Jerusalem and Paris), and the “Biblische Zeitschrift”, published by Herder (Freiburg im Breisgau). For further information concerning the principal Catholic commentators see respective articles.

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chevyontheriver · Aug 3, 2023

Douggg said:
That link is to a Seventh Day Adventist site.

What I am looking for is an English translation of Riberra's work, not a commentary on Riberra himself.

In Sacrum Beati Ioannis Apostoli, & Evangelistiae Apocalypsin Commentarii,

I'm thinking there probably is no English translation of it. Ribera seems not to have been prominent enough that his commentary got much traction at all. So I'm sorry to have to suggest that if you really want to read it you will probably have to learn Latin and read it in Latin. Not a quick and easy task. I would find it a daunting task even with three years of high school Latin ages ago. Which is probably why it appears that people refer to what other people wrote about Ribera rather than what Ribera actually wrote.

chevyontheriver · Aug 3, 2023

Douggg said:
Yes, Ribera was a Jesuit. And there has been a lot of commentary (it appears as though sites are copying the same commentary from each other) about him. I want to read directly what Ribera himself wrote though. As commentary can be slanted. imo, I don't think the commentators have actually read Ribera's work themselves, but are just quoting each other.

You might see of there are translated works of Bellarmine that are of interest to you. He was much more of a 'thing' than Ribera ever was.

But my thought on 'futurist' interpretation would be that the very first interpretations after the text was written would all have been 'futurist'. And that plenty of Patristic interpreters would have been 'futurist' too. It wasn't like that got invented in the 16th century. The real invention seems to be among the more radical Protestants who did their exegesis more eisegetically than anything. They didn't like the Catholics so all of a sudden Scripture for them began to condemn the Catholic Church.

Douggg · Aug 4, 2023

chevyontheriver said:
You might see of there are translated works of Bellarmine that are of interest to you. He was much more of a 'thing' than Ribera ever was.

But my thought on 'futurist' interpretation would be that the very first interpretations after the text was written would all have been 'futurist'. And that plenty of Patristic interpreters would have been 'futurist' too. It wasn't like that got invented in the 16th century. The real invention seems to be among the more radical Protestants who did their exegesis more eisegetically than anything. They didn't like the Catholics so all of a sudden Scripture for them began to condemn the Catholic Church.

What I found on YouTube was a video on what Robert Bellarmine taught about the end times, which was the type of information I was looking for. Thanks informing me about Bellarmine because I was not aware of his existence.

chevyontheriver · Aug 4, 2023

Douggg said:
What I found on YouTube was a video on what Robert Bellarmine taught about the end times, which was the type of information I was looking for. Thanks informing me about Bellarmine because I was not aware of his existence.

Not sure who put that video on or what it's bent is. I like my videos to tell me who is speaking, and who they are associated with. This video didn't do that.

But Belarmine IS a substantial figure in Catholic thought. Not infallible by any means, but more important than Ribera ever was.

I want to mention another substantial character from this same era. That is St. Charles Borromeo. He had a major hand in creating the 'Catechism of the Council of Trent'.

Michie · Aug 4, 2023

chevyontheriver said:
Not sure who put that video on or what it's bent is. I like my videos to tell me who is speaking, and who they are associated with. This video didn't do that.

But Belarmine IS a substantial figure in Catholic thought. Not infallible by any means, but more important than Ribera ever was.

I want to mention another substantial character from this same era. That is St. Charles Borromeo. He had a major hand in creating the 'Catechism of the Council of Trent'.

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I am not Catholic, but I am not here to argue. But seeking information.

Does anyone have an online link of an English translation of....

In Sacrum Beati Ioannis Apostoli, & Evangelistiae Apocalypsin Commentarii,

I would like to read it. Thanks.

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