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White House condemns Texas over ‘atrocious’ floating razor wire barriers at Southern border

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"This governor … has treated the situation that we're seeing at the border in an inhumane way," Jean-Pierre responded. "It is atrocious, the actions that he decides to take. He takes this [action] instead of dealing with this issue in a way that we can get to a resolution and working together, he turns it into a political stunt."

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It seems like *any* kind of barrier at the border will be condemned by the democrats, while "claiming" they want to work together.
 
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"This governor … has treated the situation that we're seeing at the border in an inhumane way," Jean-Pierre responded. "It is atrocious, the actions that he decides to take. He takes this [action] instead of dealing with this issue in a way that we can get to a resolution and working together, he turns it into a political stunt."

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Did they get a permit from the Corp of Engineers to build in a navigable waterway?
Does the international border go down the river here? If so how do they ensure that their floating thing doesn't cross the international boundary.

Mr. Abbott needs to remember that international borders aren't his purview.
 
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Razer wire is being used? Of course people, who often just want a better life, are going to get caught up in it. It is inhumane.

"How we gonna fix this problem at the border?"
"Mangle 'em."
 
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Did they get a permit from the Corp of Engineers to build in a navigable waterway?
Does the international border go down the river here? If so how do they ensure that their floating thing doesn't cross the international boundary.

Mr. Abbott needs to remember that international borders aren't his purview.
Jean-Pierre gave no indication of these things in her address, but I'm sure the democrats will do *everything* in their power to remove this new barrier - they clearly don't like it.
 
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Razer wire is being used? Of course people, who often just want a better life, are going to get caught up in it. It is inhumane.

"How we gonna fix this problem at the border?"
"Mangle 'em."
Why would someone try to climb a giant tube with razor wire all over it? That's not intelligent.

In the meantime, razor wire is used in all kinds of applications everywhere within the US.

Another case of Foreigners before Americans?
 
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On 6/30/23 at approximately 1500 we had group of people at the casualty wire seeking refuge. In this group was a 4 year old female who attempted to cross the wire and was pressed back by Texas Guard soldiers due to the orders given to them. The temperature was well over 100 degrees. Shortly thereafter the 4 year old passed out due to exhaustion and a DPS Sgt and Texas Guard Soldier extricated the patient and transported to us. We provided treatment to the unresponsive patient and transferred care to EMS.

On 6/30/23 we had an adult male with a significant laceration in his left leg. We asked him what happened and he stated that he had a child who was stuck on a trap in the water. He said that there was a barrel that had casualty wire all over it and his child was stuck on it. He extricated his kid and while doing so the barrel trap lacerated his leg.

On 6/30/23 at approximately 2130 while patrolling the casualty wire near Pecan Farms we came across a 19 year old female who was in obvious pain stuck in the casualty wire who was doubled over. We cut her out of the wire and medically assessed her. She was pregnant and was having a miscarriage. We promptly coordinated with Eagle Pass EMS and transferred care.

With the casualty wire running for several miles along the river in areas where it is easier for people to cross. It forces people to cross in other areas that are deeper and not as safe for people carrying kids and bags. On 7/1/23 at approximately 1630 we had reports from border patrol that there was a mother and two children struggling to cross the river. Our TMU boat team searched for the victims and found the mother and one child who went under the water for a minute. They rescued two of victims and started life saving measures. They were transferred to Eagle Pass EMS and were later called deceased at the hospital. The other child that Border Patrol saw was never found. In total 5 people drowned this week in the area of operation.


[The wire] needs to be manned and patrolled constantly to provide security for these families who are seeking refuge. The wire on the shore needs to be lighted at night so people can see the wire and not stumble into it as a trap. The wire and barrels in the river needs to be taken out as this is nothing but a inhumane trap in high water and low visibility.

 
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Jean-Pierre gave no indication of these things in her address, but I'm sure the democrats will do *everything* in their power to remove this new barrier - they clearly don't like it.

These are some pretty obvious questions. Perhaps a properly reported article rather than a report on the statement of a PR person would be more appropriate to starting a conversation.
 
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On 6/30/23 at approximately 1500 we had group of people at the casualty wire seeking refuge. In this group was a 4 year old female who attempted to cross the wire and was pressed back by Texas Guard soldiers due to the orders given to them. The temperature was well over 100 degrees. Shortly thereafter the 4 year old passed out due to exhaustion and a DPS Sgt and Texas Guard Soldier extricated the patient and transported to us. We provided treatment to the unresponsive patient and transferred care to EMS.

On 6/30/23 we had an adult male with a significant laceration in his left leg. We asked him what happened and he stated that he had a child who was stuck on a trap in the water. He said that there was a barrel that had casualty wire all over it and his child was stuck on it. He extricated his kid and while doing so the barrel trap lacerated his leg.

On 6/30/23 at approximately 2130 while patrolling the casualty wire near Pecan Farms we came across a 19 year old female who was in obvious pain stuck in the casualty wire who was doubled over. We cut her out of the wire and medically assessed her. She was pregnant and was having a miscarriage. We promptly coordinated with Eagle Pass EMS and transferred care.

With the casualty wire running for several miles along the river in areas where it is easier for people to cross. It forces people to cross in other areas that are deeper and not as safe for people carrying kids and bags. On 7/1/23 at approximately 1630 we had reports from border patrol that there was a mother and two children struggling to cross the river. Our TMU boat team searched for the victims and found the mother and one child who went under the water for a minute. They rescued two of victims and started life saving measures. They were transferred to Eagle Pass EMS and were later called deceased at the hospital. The other child that Border Patrol saw was never found. In total 5 people drowned this week in the area of operation.


[The wire] needs to be manned and patrolled constantly to provide security for these families who are seeking refuge. The wire on the shore needs to be lighted at night so people can see the wire and not stumble into it as a trap. The wire and barrels in the river needs to be taken out as this is nothing but a inhumane trap in high water and low visibility.

Then why is razor wire allowed to be used by the government, and by private businesses all over the U.S., to keep American citizens from trespassing on private properties?

Are American citizens less human than migrants? We're less important?
 
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Another case of Foreigners before Americans?

I'm cosmopolitan, a citizen of God's creation. I don't see treating some well and others badly as something determined by my nationalism because I'm not a nationalist.
 
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Then why is razor wire allowed to be used by the government, and by private businesses all over the U.S., to keep American citizens from trespassing on private properties?
The razor wire used at government installations and businesses is clearly visible, not hidden under water where it can't be seen. Yes, there are brightly colored barrels holding the razor wire, but many people crossing the border may not be aware that there's razor wire hanging underneath those barrels.
 
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I'm cosmopolitan, a citizen of God's creation. I don't see treating some well and others badly as something determined by my nationalism because I'm not a nationalist.
So just ignore it then? And continue using razor wire on American citizens and not migrants?

Does consistency mean nothing? What about fairness?
 
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The razor wire used at government instalations and businesses is clearly visible, not hidden under water where it can't be seen.
It's quite visible and obvious.

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It seems like *any* kind of barrier at the border will be condemned by the democrats, while "claiming" they want to work together.
While the bodies of Children are strewn from the origins of their journey. Raped, Sold, beaten etc, along the way. The misery going on due to their policies is ignored.
 
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No, not every inch has razor wire.
That makes it even more dangerous, as people may try to go under the barrels, thinking that it's not one of the areas that have the razor wire dangling below.

The concertina wire inhibits agents from effectively and efficiently apprehending at risk population (i.e. family units with infants and unaccompanied children),” it noted. “With water levels increasing and the concertina wire placed inside the river poses a high risk of injury as the wire is submerged and not visible.”


This image is a section that has no razor wire at all.
How do you know if that section has no razor wire underneath the water? Do you have a source?
 
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That makes it even more dangerous as people may try to go under the barrels thinking that it's not one of the areas that have the wire only.

The concertina wire inhibits agents from effectively and efficiently apprehending at risk population (i.e. family units with infants and unaccompanied children),” it noted. “With water levels increasing and the concertina wire placed inside the river poses a high risk of injury as the wire is submerged and not visible.”


How do you know if that section has no razor wire under neath the water? Do you have a source?
Well, razor wire should cover it above and below.
 
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So just ignore it then? And continue using razor wire on American citizens and not migrants?

Does consistency mean nothing? What about fairness?

How about no razer wire at the border where so many people are trying to cross? There has to be a better way. You're comparing what is often hungry and desperate people with what are often criminals trying to break into an establishment, which is unfortunate since I figure you would at least have compassion for the former. Are they breaking the law? Yes, they are. Why are they breaking the law? It's desperation for many of these families. I'm not saying ignore the problem; I'm saying there has to be a better way than ensuring a certain number will be physically harmed and some die. If thousands of desperate people were trying to break into Walmart warehouse because they were hungry, I wouldn't suggest razor wire as a solution. It is inhumane.
 
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