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Anyone seen "The Corporation" movie? There's a sequel "The New Corporation". It jumps from the hard Right to hard left. Where's the middle?

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Hi all,
it seems debate in America - and my home country of Australia seems to be following - is moving further apart. We have less in common than ever before. I'm struck by the way "The New Corporation" portrays the urgency of dealing with Corporate creep into our lives. Corporations are trying to turn us from Citizens into Consumers. I agree with the majority of the movie analysing the problems. The way Corporations are set up they can't help being in a frenzied search for short term profits for this quarter, trying to ‘outsource’ costs to the public purse (like fossil fuels letting the public health care sector carry the burden of all their particulate pollution - thanks a lot oil barons!), offshoring profits into tax havens, and complaining how heavily taxed and unfair it all is as they do so. It’s outrageous!



But then, rather than sensible regulation of corporations - it jumps to Socialism.
What gives? There's a thousand degrees between laissez-faire and Socialist.
(They do interview a few other people after the Socialist lady. But cutting straight to a Socialist after the climax of the Corporate thrashing wasn't a good look in my Ordo-Liberal view.)

What about we use anti-trust to break up some Corporations?

What about new firm structures, like Germany's Mittelstand family-owned firms or even Democratic Worker's Co-ops? They might sound a bit socialist - but really still have to compete in the marketplace like anyone else. What about a thousand other ways to balance and protect our rights as Democratic Citizens while still having the creativity of a free-market, but heavily regulated and contained for the public good?

Let's look at medium sized family firms like Germany's Mittelstand. Germany has vastly more medium sized firms than Australia. We tend to have big corporations, or tiny mom and pop firms.

Anyone can be corrupted and go down the wrong path. But if we’re talking about the systems that might tip behaviour one way or the other, which is more likely to be corrupted and short term in its thinking?

A family owned firm looking to supply a good or service for the next quarter century, or a Corporation in a desperate rush to report a profit to shareholders that quarter?

A German Mittelstand firm training apprentices from high school to hopefully keep for life, who have a real chance of becoming senior accountants or engineers or even the Managing Director - or a Corporation willing to fire whole departments to cut costs for the all important bottom line that quarter?

I've worked in the Australian army, government, and now a Corporation. And the turnover I'm seeing in the Corporation I'm in right now and morale issues and toxic employer employee relations is just unreal. Watch the doco above - but seriously - where's the political middle in America?
 
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Hi all,
it seems debate in America - and my home country of Australia seems to be following - is moving further apart. We have less in common than ever before. I'm struck by the way "The New Corporation" portrays the urgency of dealing with Corporate creep into our lives. Corporations are trying to turn us from Citizens into Consumers. I agree with the majority of the movie analysing the problems. The way Corporations are set up they can't help being in a frenzied search for short term profits for this quarter, trying to ‘outsource’ costs to the public purse (like fossil fuels letting the public health care sector carry the burden of all their particulate pollution - thanks a lot oil barons!), offshoring profits into tax havens, and complaining how heavily taxed and unfair it all is as they do so. It’s outrageous!



But then, rather than sensible regulation of corporations - it jumps to Socialism.
What gives? There's a thousand degrees between laissez-faire and Socialist.
(They do interview a few other people after the Socialist lady. But cutting straight to a Socialist after the climax of the Corporate thrashing wasn't a good look in my Ordo-Liberal view.)

What about we use anti-trust to break up some Corporations?

What about new firm structures, like Germany's Mittelstand family-owned firms or even Democratic Worker's Co-ops? They might sound a bit socialist - but really still have to compete in the marketplace like anyone else. What about a thousand other ways to balance and protect our rights as Democratic Citizens while still having the creativity of a free-market, but heavily regulated and contained for the public good?

Let's look at medium sized family firms like Germany's Mittelstand. Germany has vastly more medium sized firms than Australia. We tend to have big corporations, or tiny mom and pop firms.

Anyone can be corrupted and go down the wrong path. But if we’re talking about the systems that might tip behaviour one way or the other, which is more likely to be corrupted and short term in its thinking?

A family owned firm looking to supply a good or service for the next quarter century, or a Corporation in a desperate rush to report a profit to shareholders that quarter?

A German Mittelstand firm training apprentices from high school to hopefully keep for life, who have a real chance of becoming senior accountants or engineers or even the Managing Director - or a Corporation willing to fire whole departments to cut costs for the all important bottom line that quarter?

I've worked in the Australian army, government, and now a Corporation. And the turnover I'm seeing in the Corporation I'm in right now and morale issues and toxic employer employee relations is just unreal. Watch the doco above - but seriously - where's the political middle in America?

Actually the middle in America is the system we have now. Not too far left, not too far right. We regulate corporations to punish bad behavior and we also have strict anti-Trust laws to prevent monopolies. But we also encourage the free market. The free market provides jobs and all those niceties of life people seem to love so much. And anyone is more than welcome to create most any organization they want to create whether that is a family owned business or a democratic worker's co-op.
 
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Hi all,
it seems debate in America - and my home country of Australia seems to be following - is moving further apart. We have less in common than ever before. I'm struck by the way "The New Corporation" portrays the urgency of dealing with Corporate creep into our lives. Corporations are trying to turn us from Citizens into Consumers. I agree with the majority of the movie analysing the problems. The way Corporations are set up they can't help being in a frenzied search for short term profits for this quarter, trying to ‘outsource’ costs to the public purse (like fossil fuels letting the public health care sector carry the burden of all their particulate pollution - thanks a lot oil barons!), offshoring profits into tax havens, and complaining how heavily taxed and unfair it all is as they do so. It’s outrageous!



But then, rather than sensible regulation of corporations - it jumps to Socialism.
What gives? There's a thousand degrees between laissez-faire and Socialist.
(They do interview a few other people after the Socialist lady. But cutting straight to a Socialist after the climax of the Corporate thrashing wasn't a good look in my Ordo-Liberal view.)

What about we use anti-trust to break up some Corporations?

What about new firm structures, like Germany's Mittelstand family-owned firms or even Democratic Worker's Co-ops? They might sound a bit socialist - but really still have to compete in the marketplace like anyone else. What about a thousand other ways to balance and protect our rights as Democratic Citizens while still having the creativity of a free-market, but heavily regulated and contained for the public good?

Let's look at medium sized family firms like Germany's Mittelstand. Germany has vastly more medium sized firms than Australia. We tend to have big corporations, or tiny mom and pop firms.

Anyone can be corrupted and go down the wrong path. But if we’re talking about the systems that might tip behaviour one way or the other, which is more likely to be corrupted and short term in its thinking?

A family owned firm looking to supply a good or service for the next quarter century, or a Corporation in a desperate rush to report a profit to shareholders that quarter?

A German Mittelstand firm training apprentices from high school to hopefully keep for life, who have a real chance of becoming senior accountants or engineers or even the Managing Director - or a Corporation willing to fire whole departments to cut costs for the all important bottom line that quarter?

I've worked in the Australian army, government, and now a Corporation. And the turnover I'm seeing in the Corporation I'm in right now and morale issues and toxic employer employee relations is just unreal. Watch the doco above - but seriously - where's the political middle in America?
There is no system that man can set up that will work.

We live in a fallen world and things will and are getting progressively worse. The political realm (all of them) revolve around gaining power.
There is no system man can put in place that will solve the many issues in societies.

Matthew 24:6

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And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars; see that you are not frightened or troubled, for this must take place, but the end is not yet.

and so it is .....

it's the Lord's plan that is going to play out .... not man's .... politics in the large picture don't matter ... other than us seeing the corruption and oppression and wars coming out of it.

We are warned the world will become more and more evil all the time .... and we see that happening on many fronts.

I look forward to the return of the Lord and Him ending this mess ..... for eternity. AMEN!!!

In the meantime .... things are and will become more chaotic .... regardless of politics.
 
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Actually the middle in America is the system we have now. Not too far left, not too far right.
America has so much "State Capture" by the Corporations its citizens barely recognise their influence any more.


We regulate corporations to punish bad behavior and we also have strict anti-Trust laws to prevent monopolies.
That's why there are so many mom and pop grocers thriving right next to huge Walmarts. :doh:


But we also encourage the free market. The free market provides jobs and all those niceties of life people seem to love so much. And anyone is more than welcome to create most any organization they want to create whether that is a family owned business or a democratic worker's co-op.
That's why there are so many mom and pop grocers thriving right next to huge Walmarts. :doh:
That's why Walmart and Amazon employees and Burger flippers everywhere all enjoy the best employment conditions on the planet! :doh:
Did you even watch the documentary above?

But for me the worst effects on America are "State Capture" by Corporations on your healthcare system, and the gun lobby's effect on your culture. 2 reasons I'd never move to America. Australia isn't perfect, but we ROCK compared to you guys on those 2 fronts.
 
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