Is being WOKE an unbiblical or unchristian thing.

Xeno.of.athens · May 5, 2023

I have a hard time working out what a person means when they start to tell me that Woke people have various serious personality and moral failings. So, I started to wonder if being woke was morally bad or not or if it was Christian or not.

Microsoft Co-Pilot says: "According to web search results, a “woke” person is someone who is alert to racial or social discrimination and injustice. The term originated in African American English and gained more widespread use beginning in 2014 as part of the Black Lives Matter movement. A woke person is conscious of inequity and injustice on personal, professional, and social levels, and goes beyond merely being aware of these issues to become vocal against all discrimination"

Wings like Eagles · May 5, 2023

To me woke is just another name for crazy democrats, they are constantly renaming everything to hide their true intent, its called deceit.

PsaltiChrysostom · May 5, 2023

Xeno.of.athens said:
I have a hard time working out what a person means when they start to tell me that Woke people have various serious personality and moral failings. So, I started to wonder if being woke was morally bad or not or if it was Christian or not.

Microsoft Co-Pilot says: "According to web search results, a “woke” person is someone who is alert to racial or social discrimination and injustice. The term originated in African American English and gained more widespread use beginning in 2014 as part of the Black Lives Matter movement. A woke person is conscious of inequity and injustice on personal, professional, and social levels, and goes beyond merely being aware of these issues to become vocal against all discrimination"

Amos 8:3-8 rings similar in my ears.

3 “In that day,” declares the Sovereign Lord, “the songs in the temple will turn to wailing.[a] Many, many bodies—flung everywhere! Silence!”
4 Hear this, you who trample the needy
and do away with the poor of the land,
5 saying,
“When will the New Moon be over
that we may sell grain,
and the Sabbath be ended
that we may market wheat?”—
skimping on the measure,
boosting the price
and cheating with dishonest scales,
6 buying the poor with silver
and the needy for a pair of sandals,
selling even the sweepings with the wheat.
7 The Lord has sworn by himself, the Pride of Jacob: “I will never forget anything they have done.

8 “Will not the land tremble for this,
and all who live in it mourn?
The whole land will rise like the Nile;
it will be stirred up and then sink
like the river of Egypt.

Clare73 · May 5, 2023

Xeno.of.athens said:
I have a hard time working out what a person means when they start to tell me that Woke people have various serious personality and moral failings. So, I started to wonder if being woke was morally bad or not or if it was Christian or not.

Microsoft Co-Pilot says: "According to web search results, a “woke” person is someone who is alert to racial or social discrimination and injustice. The term originated in African American English and gained more widespread use beginning in 2014 as part of the Black Lives Matter movement. A woke person is conscious of inequity and injustice on personal, professional, and social levels, and goes beyond merely being aware of these issues to become vocal against all discrimination"

The problem with that is on what basis, principle do we determine "inequity and injustice" on "personal, professional and social levels?"

There is only one Biblical meaning of justice; i.e., to give everyone his due, what he has earned, what he is owed; i.e., merit.

So is "wokeness" based on merit or entitlement?
It presents itself as entitlement.

Xeno.of.athens · May 5, 2023

Clare73 said:
The problem with that is on what basis, principle do we determine "inequity and injustice" on "personal, professional and social levels?"

There is only one Biblical meaning of justice; i.e., to give everyone his due, what he has earned, what he is owed; i.e., merit.

So is "wokeness" based on merit or entitlement?
It presents itself as entitlement.

Your comment makes it seem that you think entitlement is a bad thing.

FenderTL5 · May 5, 2023

Xeno.of.athens said:
Your comment makes it seem that you think entitlement is a bad thing.

The Declaration of Independence begins with the language of entitlement. I tend to think the Bill of Rights as a political testament of entitlement.
However those are both political/social documents and as such do not answer the thread title question.

I suppose we'd have to contrast the two views; what does it mean to be "woke" vs. what it means to be oblivious/unconcerned with the issues.
On the surface, to be unconcerned or oblivious to the plight of others is not a position I would want to stand before God and try to defend. ymmv

BobRyan · May 5, 2023

Xeno.of.athens said:
I have a hard time working out what a person means when they start to tell me that Woke people have various serious personality and moral failings. So, I started to wonder if being woke was morally bad or not or if it was Christian or not.

Microsoft Co-Pilot says: "According to web search results, a “woke” person is someone who is alert to racial or social discrimination and injustice. The term originated in African American English and gained more widespread use beginning in 2014 as part of the Black Lives Matter movement. A woke person is conscious of inequity and injustice on personal, professional, and social levels, and goes beyond merely being aware of these issues to become vocal against all discrimination"

How you view wokism depends on what you use to evaluate it.

Do you evaluate it by its marketing campaign alone?
Or by its riots, disregard for Bible statements on Marriage and gender reality, cancel culture, rage, shouting, disregard for law and order, racist statements against entire groups and races, and intolerance of opposing views...etc

In Matt 7 Jesus said "by their fruits you shall know them" - that is particularly true when it comes to wokism.

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Halbhh · May 5, 2023

Xeno.of.athens said:
"According to web search results, a “woke” person is someone who is alert to racial or social discrimination and injustice.

If that's the definition of 'woke', then all that turn to Christ in faith become 'woke' in the only good way, and it will be mostly woke people that are acceptable to God to enter heaven (in that though imperfect, we are turning in the right direction, to love what is fair and just and treats others well):

He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.
Micah 6:8

16 Wash and make yourselves clean.
Take your evil deeds out of my sight;
stop doing wrong.
17 Learn to do right; seek justice.
Defend the oppressed.
Take up the cause of the fatherless;
plead the case of the widow.
-- Isaiah 1

Akita Suggagaki · May 5, 2023

Xeno.of.athens said:
I have a hard time working out what a person means when they start to tell me that Woke people have various serious personality and moral failings. So, I started to wonder if being woke was morally bad or not or if it was Christian or not.

Microsoft Co-Pilot says: "According to web search results, a “woke” person is someone who is alert to racial or social discrimination and injustice. The term originated in African American English and gained more widespread use beginning in 2014 as part of the Black Lives Matter movement. A woke person is conscious of inequity and injustice on personal, professional, and social levels, and goes beyond merely being aware of these issues to become vocal against all discrimination"

To me "woke" is simply consideration for other people.

Clare73 · May 5, 2023

Xeno.of.athens said:
Your comment makes it seem that you think entitlement is a bad thing.

Correct. . .I'm not entitled to compensation which I don't earn.

Clare73 · May 5, 2023

FenderTL5 said:
The Declaration of Independence begins with the language of entitlement.
I tend to think the Bill of Rights as a political testament of entitlement.

Entitlement or right?
I have a right to that which I have been personally endowed (endowments create rights).
I have a right to that which I have earned.
I do not have a right to that which I have not earned or been personally endowed.

FenderTL5 said:
However those are both political/social documents and as such do not answer the thread title question.

I suppose we'd have to contrast the two views; what does it mean to be "woke" vs. what it means to be oblivious/unconcerned with the issues.
On the surface, to be unconcerned or oblivious to the plight of others is not a position I would want to stand before God and try to defend. ymmv

Ain't Zwinglian · May 5, 2023

Wokeness is the search for absolute justice. In the temporal world this is of course is impossible and therefore farce.

Christianity has the answer to wokeness....judgment day.

FenderTL5 · May 5, 2023

Clare73 said:
Entitlement or right?

As it applies to the Declaration of Independence, I'm going with entitlement since the word "entitle" is the word that was used.

Clare73 · May 5, 2023

Halbhh said:
If that's the definition of 'woke', then all that turn to Christ in faith become 'woke' in the only good way, and it will be mostly woke people that are acceptable to God to enter heaven (in that though imperfect, we are turning in the right direction, to love what is fair and just and treats others well):

He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.
Micah 6:8

16 Wash and make yourselves clean.
Take your evil deeds out of my sight;
stop doing wrong.
17 Learn to do right; seek justice.
Defend the oppressed.
Take up the cause of the fatherless;
plead the case of the widow.
-- Isaiah 1

"What is fair and just" is to treat others impartially, to give everyone what they have earned, what they are owed.

Halbhh · May 5, 2023

Clare73 said:
"What is fair and just" is to treat others impartially, to give everyone what they have earned, what they are owed.

Yes!
And to defend the oppressed, and take up the cause of "the orphan and the widow" -- those that lack position, power, influence, wealth.... To not only do what is right by paying fairly for work done, but also to make efforts to help those not treated fairly.

The Good Samarian helped a wounded Jew, but he could also have helped a struggling widow, or a mistreated slave...

Clare73 · May 5, 2023

Xeno.of.athens said:
a “woke” person is someone who is alert to racial or social discrimination and injustice.

There is no "social" injustice. . .there is only injustice, wherever one is not given what he has earned, what he is owed--racially, socially, economically or otherwise.

Clare73 · May 5, 2023

Halbhh said:
Yes!
And to defend the oppressed, and take up the cause of "the orphan and the widow" -- those that lack position, power, influence, wealth.... To not only do what is right by paying fairly for work done, but also to make efforts to help those not treated fairly.

The Good Samarian helped a wounded Jew, but he could also have helped a struggling widow, or a mistreated slave...

Those are not examples of justice. . the topic is justice, giving/receiving what one has earned, what one is owed.
There are no special classes in justice, all are the same and to be treated the same; i.e., given/receiving what they have earned, what they are owed.

Halbhh · May 5, 2023

Clare73 said:
Those are not examples of justice. . the topic is justice, what one has earned, what one is owed.

Ah, in the Bible, "justice" in scripture includes paying fair wages, but also has more.

As we get over time, as we read with a listening attitude (where we silence all the debates, and don't talk over the text with a doctrine in our own mind, but truly listen to hear and learn, and never think we already know all yet...).

Clare73 · May 5, 2023

Halbhh said:
Ah, in the Bible, "justice" in scripture includes paying fair wages, but also has more.

And if it's about justice, it will be what one has earned, what one is owed.

No one is claiming justice is all there is, they are stating what "justice" is. . .not to be confused with "entitlement."

FenderTL5 · May 5, 2023

Clare73 said:
And if it's about justice, it will be what one has earned, what one is owed.

Let's hope not.

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