Florida Schools expand 'Parental Rights in Education law' ban on instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity through 12th grade

essentialsaltes · Apr 19, 2023

unless the material is explicitly required by state standards.

The Florida Board of Education has voted to expand restrictions on classroom instruction related to sexual orientation and gender identity.

"This amendment prohibits classroom instruction to students in pre-kindergarten through Grade 3 on sexual orientation or gender identity. For Grades 4 through 12, instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity is prohibited unless such instruction is either expressly required by state academic standards ... or is part of a reproductive health course or health lesson for which a student’s parent has the option to have his or her student not attend," according to the amendment.

Supporters of the rules argue that "there is no reason for instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity to be part of K-12 public education. Full stop," according to a spokesperson for DeSantis, who has backed restrictions on education about race, gender identity and sexual orientation and more in his war on "woke."

Woke is defined by the DeSantis administration as "the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them,"

Critics argued that the bill will censor speech and stop people from talking about their identities due to its vague descriptions on "instruction" and "gender identity and sexual orientation."

Pommer · Apr 19, 2023

Such a slippery slope.

pgp_protector · Apr 19, 2023

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Yea we can't have teenagers 17–18 years old (12 grade) learning about orientation.
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Hammster · Apr 19, 2023

Mark Quayle · Apr 19, 2023

Pommer said:
Such a slippery slope.

I'm old enough to remember the poo-pooing when people talked 'slippery slope', when it was just "sex ed".

Mayzoo · Apr 19, 2023

My mother grew up prior to sex education in schools. She adamantly believed, until she got married, that when you put a ring on your wedding finger is what caused pregnancy. She was terrified to have a ring on that finger, even for a second, and when her friends put a ring on that finger, even in jest, she waited for their stomachs to grow.

Going back to that level of education about anything sexually related is simply terrifying. Allowing kids to search the internet and find their answers, along with a great deal of smut, is terrifying as well. Many, Many parents willfully choose to leave their children sexually ignorant as it is too difficult a conversation for them to have, but they feel the school is absolutely not allowed to educate their kids either. This leaves the kids with misinformation from friends or legitimate searches resulting in porn and violent website showing up for these kids education.

Hammster · Apr 19, 2023

Mayzoo said:
My mother grew up prior to sex education in schools. She adamantly believed, until she got married, that when you put a ring on your wedding finger is what caused pregnancy. She was terrified to have a ring on that finger, even for a second, and when her friends put a ring on that finger, even in jest, she waited for their stomachs to grow.

Going back to that level of education about anything sexually related is simply terrifying. Allowing kids to search the internet and find their answers, along with a great deal of smut, is terrifying as well. Many, Many parents willfully choose to leave their children sexually ignorant as it is too difficult a conversation for them to have, but they feel the school is absolutely not allowed to educate their kids either. This leaves the kids with misinformation from friends or legitimate searches resulting in inappropriate content and violent website showing up for these kids education.

Did your mom ever learn the truth?

Aldebaran · Apr 19, 2023

Mark Quayle said:
I'm old enough to remember the poo-pooing when people talked 'slippery slope', when it was just "sex ed".

I remember even more recently how all this stuff about LGBT was that they just wanted to be left alone to do what they wanted in the privacy of their own bedrooms. I wonder how it made its way into public libraries, school classrooms, universities, the military, corporations, etc.

Yttrium · Apr 19, 2023

essentialsaltes said:
unless the material is explicitly required by state standards.

Supporters of the rules argue that "there is no reason for instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity to be part of K-12 public education. Full stop,"

Well, they'd better take the signs off the bathrooms, then.

Mark Quayle · Apr 19, 2023

essentialsaltes said:
Supporters of the rules argue that "there is no reason for instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity to be part of K-12 public education. Full stop,"

Yttrium said:
Well, they'd better take the signs off the bathrooms, then.

Really? A three-year old doesn't have to go to school to learn the difference.

A2SG · Apr 19, 2023

Aldebaran said:
I remember even more recently how all this stuff about LGBT was that they just wanted to be left alone to do what they wanted in the privacy of their own bedrooms.

For adults, sure. Just like straight people do.

I wonder how it made its way into public libraries, school classrooms, universities, the military, corporations, etc.

Same way the people themselves did.

-- A2SG, you do know LGBT people are people, right?

Aldebaran · Apr 19, 2023

A2SG said:
For adults, sure. Just like straight people do.

Same way the people themselves did.

-- A2SG, you do know LGBT people are people, right?

Are you saying that just because the people go to those places means that they have to force everyone else there to acknowledge/affirm/celebrate the same things the LBTG people do, just because they are there?
If they want to celebrate sexual perversity, they can do it in the privacy of their own bedrooms, just as they said is all they wanted. No need for a man to pretend to be a woman and strip in front of Kindergartners.

A2SG · Apr 19, 2023

Aldebaran said:
Are you saying that just because the people go to those places means that they have to force everyone else there to acknowledge/affirm/celebrate the same things the LBTG people do, just because they are there?

That would depend on what specific things are being asked to acknowledge/affirm/celebrate. If that thing is something straight people have no problems acknowledging/affirming/celebrating, then yeah.

Say, for example, their existence.

If they want to celebrate sexual perversity, they can do it in the privacy of their own bedrooms, just as they said is all they wanted. No need for a man to pretend to be a woman and strip in front of Kindergartners.

Who is doing that? And who is expecting that to be acknowledged, affirmed or celebrated?

-- A2SG, looks like you've built a strawman for yourself.....

Aldebaran · Apr 19, 2023

A2SG said:
That would depend on what specific things are being asked to acknowledge/affirm/celebrate. If that thing is something straight people have no problems acknowledging/affirming/celebrating, then yeah.

Say, for example, their existence.

Yeah, I don't see anyone denying they exist. Existing as a woman when they're actually a man is another matter, so no reason to expect anyone else to acknowledge/affirm or celebrate that idea.

A2SG · Apr 19, 2023

Aldebaran said:
Yeah, I don't see anyone denying they exist.

It happens. And it becomes easier to do when the government says you can't even talk about them. Especially where kids and especially teenagers are wrestling with these very issues, and need some form of guidance.

Existing as a woman when they're actually a man is another matter, so no reason to expect anyone else to acknowledge/affirm or celebrate that idea.

Here's the thing: sex (your reproductive anatomy) and gender (your sexual identity) aren't the same thing. Just because yours match, that doesn't mean it does for everyone else out there. If someone with male genitalia feels, internally, like a woman, and prefers to wear female clothing, what's that to you? How does that harm you? How does it even affect you in any way?

How does simply acknowledging that such people exist affect you?

Okay, if you don't want to celebrate it, that's your business. But simply acknowledging or affirming that they exist seems a very low bar to me.

How would you react if others felt some part of your identity that they can't see wasn't real? Say, for example, your religion. If others felt you were only pretending to be a christian, and you shouldn't be allowed to wear something that indicated your religion, how would you feel?

-- A2SG, not like anyone else can tell if you're pretending, or if you really feel that way.....

DaisyDay · Apr 20, 2023

Aldebaran said:
I remember even more recently how all this stuff about LGBT was that they just wanted to be left alone to do what they wanted in the privacy of their own bedrooms. I wonder how it made its way into public libraries, school classrooms, universities, the military, corporations, etc.

It seems as though some kids are gay and some are transgendered even when they have never been introduced to the concepts through education or "grooming". The idea behind including education and literature that features people like them is to acknowledge that they do exist and are not shameful freaks.

DaisyDay · Apr 20, 2023

Mark Quayle said:
essentialsaltes said:
Supporters of the rules argue that "there is no reason for instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity to be part of K-12 public education. Full stop,"

Really? A three-year old doesn't have to go to school to learn the difference.

True, they can just play Doctor with one another and learn the old fashioned way.

rambot · Apr 20, 2023

Hammster said:
Did your mom ever learn the truth?

Your asking if a poster's MOTHER ever learned that sexual intercourse is what causes pregnancy?

That's hilarious!

And I'm sure your line of logic would mean "Great so she learned it when she was 21 so no harm. They will learn it eventually, they don't need to learn it when they are kids".

Does that sound like where that is going?

Aldebaran · Apr 20, 2023

A2SG said:
It happens. And it becomes easier to do when the government says you can't even talk about them. Especially where kids and especially teenagers are wrestling with these very issues, and need some form of guidance.

Who is saying we can't talk about them?

A2SG said:
Here's the thing: sex (your reproductive anatomy) and gender (your sexual identity) aren't the same thing. Just because yours match, that doesn't mean it does for everyone else out there. If someone with male genitalia feels, internally, like a woman, and prefers to wear female clothing, what's that to you? How does that harm you? How does it even affect you in any way?

They can feel however they want. I don't have to acknowledge their feelings as matching reality. Science certainly doesn't, and I'm not a science denier.

A2SG said:
How does simply acknowledging that such people exist affect you?

I've already acknowledged they exist.

A2SG said:
Okay, if you don't want to celebrate it, that's your business. But simply acknowledging or affirming that they exist seems a very low bar to me.

How would you react if others felt some part of your identity that they can't see wasn't real? Say, for example, your religion. If others felt you were only pretending to be a christian, and you shouldn't be allowed to wear something that indicated your religion, how would you feel?

-- A2SG, not like anyone else can tell if you're pretending, or if you really feel that way.....

They can question if my religion is real if they want to. I still exist even if they conclude my religion is false.

Aldebaran · Apr 20, 2023

DaisyDay said:
It seems as though some kids are gay and some are transgendered even when they have never been introduced to the concepts through education or "grooming". The idea behind including education and literature that features people like them is to acknowledge that they do exist and are not shameful freaks.

Pornographic images that show how gay people have sex--and is too graphic for parents to be allowed to show to school board members, or on a news broadcast during a report on the subject--has no place in school classrooms.

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