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Kansas City: Black Teen Shot for Knocking on Wrong Door

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High school student Ralph Yarl went to pick up his little brothers from their friend's house and mixed up 115th St and 115th Ter. He knocked on the door of the house (one street over from the one he meant to go to) and the homeowner shot him in the head through the storm door. He then stepped outside and shot him again. Yarl was able to get up and run away, but had to knock on several doors on the street before finding someone who would call an ambulance.

I used to live just a few miles away from where this happened. It's a fairly nice suburban area - definitely not the ghetto, and definitely not a place where I would expect an unexpected door-knocker to be hostile. Side note, KC's street naming convention always ticked me off when I lived there. Pretty much every numbered street had a "Street" and a "Terrace", and some added "Place" or "Circle" as well. It could make finding someone's house difficult if you didn't know where it was already.
 

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Investigators also will consider whether or not the suspect was protected within the Stand Your Ground laws, Graves said.

Police initially said Yarl was in stable condition but had a life-threatening injury. His current condition has not been released, other than he is stable.

Graves said Sunday that the homeowner who allegedly shot the teen was taken into custody Thursday and placed on a 24-hour hold. While searching the scene for evidence, detectives found the firearm allegedly used. Law enforcement released the suspect pending further investigation after consulting with the Clay County Prosecutor's Office.

Missouri law allows a person to be held up to 24 hours for a felony investigation. At that point, the person must be released or arrested and formally charged. In order to arrest someone, law enforcement needs a formal victim statement, forensic evidence and other information for a case file to be completed, Graves said.



If there's even a remote chance that something like this was covered under their self-defense law, then that state has a very poorly worded or vaguely worded self-defense law.

A rational person would assume that in order to invoke self-defense, there would actually have to some sort of threat that, y'know, you were defending yourself from.

In what world is "someone rang my doorbell" a threat?

And if someone was actually terrified of a stranger ringing their doorbell, why did he unlock and open the interior door in the first place when the bell was rang? Wouldn't the first move be to keep the door locked and call the police if one was worried about that?

"I'm gonna go answer the door with my gun in-hand" sounds like someone who was just itching for a reason to use it, or the work of a paranoid schizophrenic.


It's not like this was a high crime area either. Perhaps if one lived in an area that just had a string of armed robberies pretending to be the FedEx or Pizza delivery guy, I could understand one being fearful about opening the door for someone they don't recognize.

But based on what I see on google street view, this doesn't appear to be one of those areas
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Looks like your average little midwestern middle-class suburb.


In fact, independent reviews of the Neighborhood give it a pretty glowing review:
According to NeighborhoodScout's exclusive analysis, Nashua is among the best neighborhoods for families in Missouri. In fact, this neighborhood is more family-friendly than 97.0% of neighborhoods in the entire state of Missouri. Its combination of top public schools, low crime rates, and owner-occupied single family homes gives this area the look and feel of a "Leave It to Beaver" episode.
 
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From the article:

Investigators also will consider whether or not the suspect was protected within the Stand Your Ground laws, Graves said.

Police initially said Yarl was in stable condition but had a life-threatening injury. His current condition has not been released, other than he is stable.

Graves said Sunday that the homeowner who allegedly shot the teen was taken into custody Thursday and placed on a 24-hour hold. While searching the scene for evidence, detectives found the firearm allegedly used. Law enforcement released the suspect pending further investigation after consulting with the Clay County Prosecutor's Office.

Missouri law allows a person to be held up to 24 hours for a felony investigation. At that point, the person must be released or arrested and formally charged. In order to arrest someone, law enforcement needs a formal victim statement, forensic evidence and other information for a case file to be completed, Graves said.



If there's even a remote chance that something like this was covered under their self-defense law, then that state has a very poorly worded or vaguely worded self-defense law.

A rational person would assume that in order to invoke self-defense, there would actually have to some sort of threat that, y'know, you were defending yourself from.

In what world is "someone rang my doorbell" a threat?

And if someone was actually terrified of a stranger ringing their doorbell, why did he unlock and open the interior door in the first place when the bell was rang? Wouldn't the first move be to keep the door locked and call the police if one was worried about that?

"I'm gonna go answer the door with my gun in-hand" sounds like someone who was just itching for a reason to use it, or the work of a paranoid schizophrenic.


It's not like this was a high crime area either. Perhaps if one lived in an area that just had a string of armed robberies pretending to be the FedEx or Pizza delivery guy, I could understand one being fearful about opening the door for someone they don't recognize.

But based on what I see on google street view, this doesn't appear to be one of those areas
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Looks like your average little midwestern middle-class suburb.


In fact, independent reviews of the Neighborhood give it a pretty glowing review:
According to NeighborhoodScout's exclusive analysis, Nashua is among the best neighborhoods for families in Missouri. In fact, this neighborhood is more family-friendly than 97.0% of neighborhoods in the entire state of Missouri. Its combination of top public schools, low crime rates, and owner-occupied single family homes gives this area the look and feel of a "Leave It to Beaver" episode.
Missouri's stand your ground law. To me there is no way it justifies shooting through the door because someone is knocking at your door.
 
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Maybe I should move to the USA and get a gun. Being allowed to kill people just because they knock on my door sounds like a good tradeoff for affordable health care.
 
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In fact, independent reviews of the Neighborhood give it a pretty glowing review:
According to NeighborhoodScout's exclusive analysis, Nashua is among the best neighborhoods for families in Missouri. In fact, this neighborhood is more family-friendly than 97.0% of neighborhoods in the entire state of Missouri. Its combination of top public schools, low crime rates, and owner-occupied single family homes gives this area the look and feel of a "Leave It to Beaver" episode.
That was the show with no black people, right?
 
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That was the show with no black people, right?
That show was a little before my time (though I'm aware of it)

In the case of this neighborhood, it doesn't appear to be any more/less diverse than most other suburbs

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In fact, it appears to be a little more diverse than most other midwestern suburbs. (both in terms of racial demographics, as well as education level attainment)

In any case, given the low incidents of crime in that area (it's in the top 3% of safest communities in the state), not sure why that guy was even in the habit of answering his door with his gun in-hand.


Given that a quarter of the people in the community aren't white, fair to assume this guy has seen a non-white person before, and given that the reports, thus far (unless something's changed), have stated that there doesn't appear to be a racial motivation, I can only surmise that this guy has some sort of paranoid delusion complex that should've weeded him out of being able to own a gun in the first place.
 
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In what world is "someone rang my doorbell" a threat?

And if someone was actually terrified of a stranger ringing their doorbell, why did he unlock and open the interior door in the first place when the bell was rang? Wouldn't the first move be to keep the door locked and call the police if one was worried about that?

"I'm gonna go answer the door with my gun in-hand" sounds like someone who was just itching for a reason to use it, or the work of a paranoid schizophrenic.

Exactly.
 
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I wouldnt be so quick to declare mental illness here. I think a lot of otherwise stable people are wound up by the media they choose to immerse into.
I think that is the main line of this story.
 
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After the teen was shot and managed to get away, he ran into this:

"Unfortunately, he had to run to 3 different homes before someone finally agreed to help him after he was told to lie on the ground with his hands up."​
It may not have been completely due to heartlessness, if one of the neighbors is to be believed:

A neighbor, who asked not to be identified, tells CNN she called 911 after Ralph came to her door, bleeding.

She was directed to stay inside her home by the emergency operator, for her safety as the shooter’s location was unknown.

“I wanted to help him, but they kept saying that we don’t know where the shooter is at,” the woman said.

She complied initially, then went outside with towels to help suppress the bleeding.

Don't know if this is that third person or not, but it seems that the 911 operators were advising people to stay inside. Which was probably the correct call in a situation with an unknown shooter.
 
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