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Trump indicted by N.Y. grand jury, first ex-president charged with crime

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I don't think anyone is suggesting we deny the constitution.
I am not sure who you mean "we" is in this case but when it comes to the political persecution Trump has endured since he announced the first time the constitution has repeatedly been circumvented .
 
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Actually, no we don't know that. We have rumors indicating that's what it was, but that's not the same thing. Rumors and speculations are the bread and butter of news agencies, but when it comes to legal analysis they are useless. We also have rumors that say that the indictment has 30 separate counts, which indicates it's far more then just the Stormy Daniels thing, even if that is the case that started the investigation.
Ok, we shall see ,but I would advise people to not get their hopes up. Get back with me when it is more clear how crooked this has been.
 
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So it is law and order for "LOCK HER UP" unless it's Trump that is being charged and then it's all political?
Don't get your hopes up , I would hate for you to be disappointed. There is no comparison between Hillary's and Trump's situations.
 
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Don't get your hopes up , I would hate for you to be disappointed. There is no comparison between Hillary's and Trump's situations.
Honestly, I don't care what happens to Trump. I let the courts handle that.
 
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Get back with me when it is more clear how crooked this has been.

It's pretty clear right now...

several major political discussion forums are down right now (and have been since immediately before or immediately after the indictment was announced) that have a large number of people on the right.

There's no choice but to say it's a coordinated attack on our sites where we might meet to discuss the indictment.

And I do know the owner of at least one of the sites that are down, and have spoken with them about what is happening with the website.

But we still have freedom in this country right? Lol... Freedom of speech for me but not for thee is what I'm seeing up close and personal..

I'm just waiting to see if they are going to start arresting us or if they are just trying to stop us from talking.
 
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It's pretty clear right now...

several major political discussion forums are down right now (and have been since immediately before or immediately after the indictment was announced) that have a large number of people on the right.

There's no choice but to say it's a coordinated attack on our sites where we might meet to discuss the indictment.

And I do know the owner of at least one of the sites that are down, and have spoken with them about what is happening with the website.

But we still have freedom in this country right? Lol... Freedom of speech for me but not for thee is what I'm seeing up close and personal..

I'm just waiting to see if they are going to start arresting us or if they are just trying to stop us from talking.
This country is hanging by a thread which is bad but what is worse many people can't see it. This is not really about Trump, do we like him or not. This kind of political persecution is to be expected in Russia, China or North Korea but here we are operating just like those countries. This not business as usual criminal justice doing its sworn duty. This is one side trying their best to take out the political opponent they fear most. When I read the posts that say no man is above the law, which is true but that is not what we see here, I want to cry and laugh at the same time. It is sad we are in this shape but the defenses some come up with for this madness is laughable. I have to believe truth will prevail and in the end this will be exposed for what it is.
 
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This country is hanging by a thread which is bad but what is worse many people can't see it. This is not really about Trump, do we like him or not. This kind of political persecution is to be expected in Russia, China or North Korea but here we are operating just like those countries. This not business as usual criminal justice doing its sworn duty. This is one side trying their best to take out the political opponent they fear most. When I read the posts that say no man is above the law, which is true but that is not what we see here, I want to cry and laugh at the same time. It is sad we are in this shape but the defenses some come up with for this madness is laughable. I have to believe truth will prevail and in the end this will be exposed for what it is.

And if the truth is exactly that Trump is guilty of what they indicted him for?
 
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Honestly, I don't care what happens to Trump. I let the courts handle that.
Most likely this will have to go to a higher court to get above the corruption involved in this mess. Trump is not the main theme here ,our country has devolved into a third world joke. There are still a FEW good men we can only hope there is enough of them to bring us back from the brink.
 
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It's pretty clear right now...

several major political discussion forums are down right now (and have been since immediately before or immediately after the indictment was announced) that have a large number of people on the right.

There's no choice but to say it's a coordinated attack on our sites where we might meet to discuss the indictment.

And I do know the owner of at least one of the sites that are down, and have spoken with them about what is happening with the website.

But we still have freedom in this country right? Lol... Freedom of speech for me but not for thee is what I'm seeing up close and personal..

I'm just waiting to see if they are going to start arresting us or if they are just trying to stop us from talking.
There is definitely a choice not to jump to conclusions. Those media sites may not have the capability to handle the influx of online activity. You seem to have made the determination on your own without evidence. This is bias and denial at work, alongside a decent measure of tribalism. If people could separate themselves from Mr Trump and his own problems, they could clearly see Mr Trump is a victim of his own actions and behavior. As are we all. If you are worried about being arrested I suggest you obey American laws. It's not rocket surgery.
 
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Trump's Response to Indictment:
“This is Political Persecution and Election Interference at the highest level in history. From the time I came down the golden escalator at Trump Tower, and even before I was sworn in as your President of the United States, the Radical Left Democrats – the enemy of the hard-working men and women of this Country – have been engaged in a Witch-Hunt to destroy the Make America Great Again movement. You remember it just like I do: Russia, Russia, Russia; the Mueller Hoax; Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine; Impeachment Hoax 1; Impeachment Hoax 2; the illegal and unconstitutional Mar-a-Lago raid; and now this.

“The Democrats have lied, cheated and stolen in their obsession with trying to ‘Get Trump,’ but now they’ve done the unthinkable – indicting a completely innocent person in an act of blatant Election Interference.

“Never before in our Nation’s history has this been done. The Democrats have cheated countless times over the decades, including spying on my campaign, but weaponizing our justice system to punish a political opponent, who just so happens to be a President of the United States and by far the leading Republican candidate for President, has never happened before. Ever."


Is this the response rational? Honest? Sane? Can anyone listen to this kind of crazed nonsense without feeling the urge to grab a straitjacket and cart its speaker off to an asylum?

He doesn't even know what the charges are yet, except that it would be impossible to have thirty charges on the Stormy Daniels hush money bribe.
 

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And if the truth is exactly that Trump is guilty of what they indicted him for?
I would say he is guilty of paying off Stormy , problem here is that is not illegal, at worst there could be a misdemeanor involved. This joke of a DA probably doesn't really care if there is a conviction he is having his moment of fame and glory.
 
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He doesn't even know what the charges are yet, except that it would be impossible to have thirty charges on the Stormy Daniels hush money bribe.
There is speculation that since Trump made monthly payments there is a separate charge for each payment. It is all smoke and mirrors.
 
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There is speculation that since Trump made monthly payments there is a separate charge for each payment. It is all smoke and mirrors.
The smoke and mirrors are the defense he is trying to defend himself with.
I fear for the lives of the courageous judge, prosecutors, and jurors who know from 1/6 that he has a menagerie of willing criminals ready to do his bidding and under his spell.
 
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There is speculation that since Trump made monthly payments there is a separate charge for each payment. It is all smoke and mirrors.
Hmmm.. Michael Cohen is on record testifying that he, not Trump made the payments without Trump's permission or knowledge.

It'll be interesting to see how that plays out.

Run the timeline:



Oct. 25: No deal with Daniels has been finalized, and Davidson tells Cohen, Howard and Pecker that his client is close to reaching an agreement with another outlet to tell her story. Cohen agrees to finalize the deal.​
Oct. 26: Cohen opens a bank account for Essential Consultants and transfers $131,000 he obtained by taking out a home equity line of credit into the new account.​
Oct. 27: Cohen wires $130,000 to Davidson, Daniels' attorney.​
Nov. 1: Cohen receives signed copies of the agreement between "Peggy Peterson" and "David Dennison." It is dated Oct. 28.Who is missing in that timeline?​


Now look who got monthly payments:

January: Cohen seeks reimbursement from the Trump Organization for $180,035 — $130,000 for the payment to Daniels, plus a wiring fee and an extra $50,000. Trump Organization executives double the reimbursement to $360,000 and add another $60,000, for a total of $420,000 to be paid in monthly installments for 12 months.​
Cohen sends invoices for $35,000 per month and receives $420,000 from the company over the course of the year.​
 
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Feb. 13: Cohen acknowledges making the payment to Daniels for the first time, but denies being reimbursed and says it was not connected to the Trump campaign, both assertions that he will later recant.

"Neither the Trump Organization nor the Trump campaign was a party to the transaction with Ms. Clifford, and neither reimbursed me for the payment, either directly or indirectly," Cohen said in a statement. "The payment to Ms. Clifford was lawful, and was not a campaign contribution or a campaign expenditure by anyone."

Which Michael Cohen do we believe?
 
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I have to believe truth will prevail and in the end this will be exposed for what it is.

I'm sure it might some day, but I stopped believing I'd live to see that day.

Now I'm just holding onto God the best I can.

What worries me is that I'm a fairly balanced individual (though I have the typical female emotions that can get the better of me at times) and I feel like this.

What then is happening in the minds of the less balanced when something major happens like a former president and current presidential candidate is indicted and they can't even talk to the people who have become their support?

That's where I start feeling really worried because anything can happen... and all a fire needs is a spark.

I've come to believe that this is exactly what the left is hoping for - they are going to push until they get a reaction, and then round everyone up. Enough rounds like that and all opposition that would be willing to stand up for their freedoms are jailed.

After that, a single party holds absolute power.. and we all know what absolute power means.
 
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I'm sure it might some day, but I stopped believing I'd live to see that day.

Now I'm just holding onto God the best I can.

What worries me is that I'm a fairly balanced individual (though I have the typical female emotions that can get the better of me at times) and I feel like this.

What then is happening in the minds of the less balanced when something major happens like a former president and current presidential candidate is indicted and they can't even talk to the people who have become their support?

That's where I start feeling really worried because anything can happen... and all a fire needs is a spark.

I've come to believe that this is exactly what the left is hoping for - they are going to push until they get a reaction, and then round everyone up. Enough rounds like that and all opposition that would be willing to stand up for their freedoms are jailed.

After that, a single party holds absolute power.. and we all know what absolute power means.
I, too, see a party wanting absolute power. Gerrymandering. Voter suppression. Banning books. Suppressing educators.
The DeSantis dictatorship.

As for your scenario, you certainly have a vivid imagination without a scintillating of fact to back it up.
 
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This country is hanging by a thread which is bad but what is worse many people can't see it. This is not really about Trump, do we like him or not. This kind of political persecution is to be expected in Russia, China or North Korea but here we are operating just like those countries. This not business as usual criminal justice doing its sworn duty. This is one side trying their best to take out the political opponent they fear most. When I read the posts that say no man is above the law, which is true but that is not what we see here, I want to cry and laugh at the same time. It is sad we are in this shape but the defenses some come up with for this madness is laughable. I have to believe truth will prevail and in the end this will be exposed for what it is.
"One side?" The FBI is run by a Trump employee. (Ongoing investigation 2).
The Georgia election fraud is in a red state with Republican election officials. (Ongoing investigation 3).
The NY tax cases are just people representing the beleaguered taxpayers of NY (where I lived 40 years) to help them get the money they are owed. Hundreds of millions.
 
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And if the truth is exactly that Trump is guilty of what they indicted him for?

I don't much care what they indict him for; right about here is where I would have had him removed from office and charged with treason.
That didn't happen, and it got worse from there. And it will get worse from here if he's not indicted.
So... if you can't do what you need to do, whatever sticks works with me.

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Even if what sticks is a porn star.

But, I expect a ton of legitimate high level fraud and tax evasion charges will turn up.
I personally view him as the most successful con-artist in human history
And an (almost) accidentally dangerous one (not by intent but more by nature)
I am hoping the success has finally come to an end.
 
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