Women Priests on BBC TV Shows

vespasia · Mar 5, 2023

Dibbly always reminds me of a public supposition and imagined version of priesthood rather than the actual reality. Parish life is rarely that cuddly. I always think of the warning of church acronyms appearing on articles of enquiry…..AGAG, VoD and REV. VoD= parish living in the imagined golden age that never was. Needs improving.

Paidiske · Mar 5, 2023

vespasia said:
I always think of the warning of church acronyms appearing on articles of enquiry…..AGAG, VoD and REV.

I don't know those acronyms! Are they an American thing?

vespasia · Mar 5, 2023

UK so AGAG = All gas and gaiters. therefore out of step with current practice And needs serious oversight to remedy. Rev refers to the BCCs Rev set in an impoverished inner city parish and with such serious issues and struggles no one sane would want to take it on.

Paidiske · Mar 5, 2023

Oh, we did get Rev here. It was closer to reality than Dibley. All gas and gaiters I've heard of, but I think it was a bit before my time.

concretecamper · Mar 17, 2023

Love365 said:
In Canada a Catholic nun got permission to do a wedding.

They had a priest shortage.

I'm sure you mean to say "stand in witness to a wedding". A Catholic Nun does not "do" a wedding.

prodromos · Mar 19, 2023

concretecamper said:
"stand in witness to a wedding"

Isn't that all the priest is doing in the Roman rite? Aren't the bride and groom the ones conferring the sacrament on each other?

Arcangl86 · Mar 19, 2023

Gentle reminder that this is the Anglican forum, and as such the nuances of Roman sacraments are kind of off topic.

timothyu · Mar 19, 2023

Only thing that matters is who notifies the government of the changes

Paidiske · Mar 19, 2023

timothyu said:
Only thing that matters is who notifies the government of the changes

Well, no. That's not the only thing that matters, by a long shot (and that's also really not an appropriate assertion in the Anglican forum). Making sure that the marriage is valid and legal (under both canon and civil law) matters a very great deal.

To be clear (fwiw), in the western Christian tradition of marriage (in which Anglicanism stands) the celebrant is typically doing two things; witnessing the marriage and invoking God's blessing on the couple. It's this second aspect which means some churches limit who may be the celebrant (for example, there's some tension within Anglcanism around whether deacons may, or whether they must use an alternate form of wording at the blessing).

concretecamper · Mar 19, 2023

prodromos said:
Isn't that all the priest is doing in the Roman rite? Aren't the bride and groom the ones conferring the sacrament on each other?

Yes.

Arcangl86 · Mar 19, 2023

Paidiske said:
Well, no. That's not the only thing that matters, by a long shot (and that's also really not an appropriate assertion in the Anglican forum). Making sure that the marriage is valid and legal (under both canon and civil law) matters a very great deal.

To be clear (fwiw), in the western Christian tradition of marriage (in which Anglicanism stands) the celebrant is typically doing two things; witnessing the marriage and invoking God's blessing on the couple. It's this second aspect which means some churches limit who may be the celebrant (for example, there's some tension within Anglcanism around whether deacons may, or whether they must use an alternate form of wording at the blessing).

I don't have my prayerbook handy, but IIRC in TEC the blessing over the new couple is explicitly omitted if a non-priest is the officiate.

tz620q · Mar 23, 2023

Love365 said:
In Canada a Catholic nun got permission to do a wedding.

They had a priest shortage.

In Catholicism, the ministers of the sacrament of marriage are the bride and groom. The priest is there to make sure the marriage, if in a church, has the right form for a sacrament and the right sacred attitude. He is also the minister for the state to witness the wedding and sign the state marriage certificate. So if the nun was licensed to perform weddings in this locale, I don't see any irregularity in this.

prodromos · Mar 23, 2023

tz620q said:
In Catholicism, the ministers of the sacrament of marriage are the bride and groom.

Only in the Latin rite (which is over 99% of Catholics, so probably moot)

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