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Russia Forces Down American Drone over the Black Sea

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The Pentagon and U.S. European Command said that two Russian Su-27 aircraft dumped fuel on the MQ-9, which was conducting a routine surveillance mission over the Black Sea in international airspace. They said the Russian jets flew around and in front of the drone several times for 30 to 40 minutes, and then one of the Russian aircraft “struck the propeller of the MQ-9, causing U.S. forces to have to bring the MQ-9 down in international waters.”

Air Force Gen. James Hecker, commander of U.S. Air Forces Europe and Africa, said that the Russian jet’s actions “nearly caused both aircraft to crash.” Pentagon spokesman Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder said the collision likely also damaged the Russian fighter jet, but the Su-27 was able to land. He would not say where it landed.

The Pentagon said the drone was “well clear” of any Ukrainian territory, but did not provide details. A U.S. defense official said it was operating west of Crimea over the Black Sea. The official spoke on condition of anonymity to provide mission details.

It’s not clear if the collision was an accident or intentional, but both sides agree the Russian aircraft were trying to intercept the drone.


Russia's version:

The Russian Defense Ministry said the U.S. drone was flying near the Russian border and intruded in an area that was declared off limits by Russian authorities. It said that the Russian military scrambled fighters to intercept the U.S. drone. It claimed that “as a result of sharp maneuver, the U.S. drone went into uncontrollable flight with a loss of altitude and collided with water surface.”

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IMO, I doubt striking the drone was intentional. It's probably a case of Russian fighter pilots flying recklessly close to the MQ-9 Drone...
I'm curious what damage was down to the Su-27 Russian fighter.....and whether Russia will attempt to recover the drone. I don't believe the US has any Naval resources in the Black Sea.
 
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The Pentagon and U.S. European Command said that two Russian Su-27 aircraft dumped fuel on the MQ-9, which was conducting a routine surveillance mission over the Black Sea in international airspace. They said the Russian jets flew around and in front of the drone several times for 30 to 40 minutes, and then one of the Russian aircraft “struck the propeller of the MQ-9, causing U.S. forces to have to bring the MQ-9 down in international waters.”

Air Force Gen. James Hecker, commander of U.S. Air Forces Europe and Africa, said that the Russian jet’s actions “nearly caused both aircraft to crash.” Pentagon spokesman Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder said the collision likely also damaged the Russian fighter jet, but the Su-27 was able to land. He would not say where it landed.

The Pentagon said the drone was “well clear” of any Ukrainian territory, but did not provide details. A U.S. defense official said it was operating west of Crimea over the Black Sea. The official spoke on condition of anonymity to provide mission details.

It’s not clear if the collision was an accident or intentional, but both sides agree the Russian aircraft were trying to intercept the drone.


Russia's version:

The Russian Defense Ministry said the U.S. drone was flying near the Russian border and intruded in an area that was declared off limits by Russian authorities. It said that the Russian military scrambled fighters to intercept the U.S. drone. It claimed that “as a result of sharp maneuver, the U.S. drone went into uncontrollable flight with a loss of altitude and collided with water surface.”

https://apnews.com/hub/politics
The real question is what is Biden going to do about it? His lack of action is encouraging our adversaries to do more.
 
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The real question is what is Biden going to do about it? His lack of action is encouraging our adversaries to do more.
What would you like him to do?
 
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IOW, you don't know what the POTUS should do...but he should do something.
OK what would I do, I would increase the number of flights, and I would increase the support for Ukraine making it clear that the increase is a direct result of this incident, there has to be a cost associated with acts of aggression against the United States.
 
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OK what would I do, I would increase the number of flights, and I would increase the support for Ukraine making it clear that the increase is a direct result of this incident, there has to be a cost associated with acts of aggression against the United States.

The defense secretary stated the U.S. will continue to fly in International air space over the Black Sea. Those flights, which undoubtedly are gathering intelligence for Ukraine, will not be deterred by acts of harassment.
 
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OK what would I do, I would increase the number of flights, and I would increase the support for Ukraine making it clear that the increase is a direct result of this incident, there has to be a cost associated with acts of aggression against the United States.
Hey, @SoldierOfTheKing how do you feel about this as a response to this attack on our drone?
 
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Hey, @SoldierOfTheKing how do you feel about this as a response to this attack on our drone?
I never supported aid to Kiev to begin with, so obviously we should have never even ended up in this situation. I shudder to think of the US escalating this to WWIII - after the Soviet Union already fell at that.
 
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The real question is what is Biden going to do about it? His lack of action is encouraging our adversaries to do more.

If it was accidental (which is the most likely scenario), are we to escalate things with another nuclear power over it?

"Doing something" about it would be the embodiment of the saying "ready, fire, aim"

The fact that we have more nukes than they do doesn't mean we "win" when you factor in the concept of "mutually assured destruction".

It would seem the critiques are simply an excuse to bash Biden.
 
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If it was accidental (which is the most likely scenario), are we to escalate things with another nuclear power over it?

"Doing something" about it would be the embodiment of the saying "ready, fire, aim"

The fact that we have more nukes than they do doesn't mean we "win" when you factor in the concept of "mutually assured destruction".

It would seem the critiques are simply an excuse to bash Biden.
It would seem that Biden consistently cowers when Putin raises his voice.
 
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